― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:37 (twenty years ago) link
― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:37 (twenty years ago) link
So does that make Horses the best album recorded by someone with a vagina (or is there another connection between these artists that I am missing)?
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:37 (twenty years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:39 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:40 (twenty years ago) link
(I nominate anything by the Cramps)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:43 (twenty years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:47 (twenty years ago) link
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:48 (twenty years ago) link
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 02:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 02:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 02:42 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 02:43 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 02:43 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 02:45 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 02:48 (twenty years ago) link
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 03:10 (twenty years ago) link
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 03:35 (twenty years ago) link
― aldkfh (maryann), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 04:51 (twenty years ago) link
None of 'em are, except in terms of sales and giving college kids something new to toss up on their walls, not to mention aged rock critics something to stroke their chins over and pontificate at length about the new sounds in r'n'r/hip hop, what have you.
― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:01 (twenty years ago) link
I can't even get through the other three even halfway.
― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:09 (twenty years ago) link
― Burr (Burr), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:28 (twenty years ago) link
She contributed to one of the 5 or 6 decent songs REM managed to put together over their shabby past ten years, plus 3
Blue Oyster Cult! plus 25.
But I still don't like her so much, at least Horses I mean.
― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:33 (twenty years ago) link
― spittle (spittle), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 06:03 (twenty years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 06:49 (twenty years ago) link
and then she sings about doing the watusi and joe going to mexico and it all balances out. Everybody wins!
― Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 07:45 (twenty years ago) link
― dave q, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 08:33 (twenty years ago) link
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 09:09 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 09:18 (twenty years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 09:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 09:36 (twenty years ago) link
Hmmm. I guess you had to be there.
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 09:52 (twenty years ago) link
(Oh Horses, you´re so fine you´re so fine you blow my mind, hey Horses, hey Horses) (Oh Horses, you´re so fine you´re so fine you blow my mind, hey Horses, hey Horses) (Oh Horses, you´re so fine you´re so fine you blow my mind, hey Horses, hey Horses) (Oh Horses, you´re so fine you´re so fine you blow my mind, hey Horses) Hey Horses! You´ve been around all night and that´s a little long You think you´ve got the right but I think you´ve got it wrong Why can´t you say goodnight so you can take me home, Horses ´Cause when you say you will, it always means you won´t You´re givin´ me the chills, baby, please baby don´t Every night you still leave me all alone, Horses Oh Horses, what a pity you don´t understand You take me by the heart when you take me by the hand Oh Horses, you´re so pretty, can´t you understand It´s guys like you Horses Oh, what you do Horses, do Horses Don´t break my heart, Horses Hey Horses! Now when you take me by the - who´s ever gonna know Everytime you move I let a little more show There´s somethin´ we can use, so don´t say no, Horses So come on and give it to me any way you can Any way you wanna do it, I´ll take it like a man Oh please, baby, please, don´t leave me in the jam, Horses Oh Horses, what a pity you don´t understand You take me by the heart when you take me by the hand Oh Horses, you´re so pretty, can´t you understand It´s guys like you Horses Oh, what you do Horses, do Horses Don´t break my heart, Horses (Oh Horses, you´re so fine you´re so fine you blow my mind, hey Horses, hey Horses) (Oh Horses, you´re so fine you´re so fine you blow my mind, hey Horses, hey Horses) (Oh Horses, you´re so fine you´re so fine you blow my mind, hey Horses, hey Horses) (Oh Horses, you´re so fine you´re so fine you blow my mind, hey Horses) Oh Horses, what a pity you don´t understand You take me by the heart when you take me by the hand Oh Horses, you´re so pretty, can´t you understand It´s guys like you Horses Oh, what you do Horses, do Horses Don´t break my heart, Horses Oh Horses, what a pity you don´t understand You take me by the heart when you take me by the hand Oh Horses, you´re so pretty, can´t you understand It´s guys like you Horses Oh, what you do Horses, do Horses Don´t break my heart, Horses Oh Horses, what a pity you don´t understand You take me by the heart when you take me by the hand Oh Horses, you´re so pretty, can´t you understand It´s guys like you Horses Oh, what you do Horses, do Horses Don´t break my heart, Horses Oh Horses, what a pity you don´t understand You take me by the heart when you take me by the hand Oh Horses, you´re so pretty, can´t you understand It´s guys like you Horses Oh, what you do Horses, do Horses Don´t break my heart, Horses
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 09:57 (twenty years ago) link
You know, those of us who have loved this record, either back in the day, or since (although especially back-in-the-day), simply cannot ditch its brilliance just because there's now a backlash to its canonisation.
That's what I think, anyway.
― David A. (Davant), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 10:21 (twenty years ago) link
I mean, "pretentious"? WTF? Not only is "pretentious" not a pejorative, but with Leonard Cohen cited as an example of same, we're s'posed to somehow accept this bizarre conclusion? Len is also great, people!!!
There's something in that each-subsequent-record-gets-worse thing, though.
Easter is a very nice record (moments of beauty, but moments of intense awkwardness) that's not in the ballpark of Horses in terms of impact. Importance. Sigh. I don't really understand what "importance" means, objectively. Having said that, Gone Again is really the only other good Patti Smith album. Her output over a long career is patchy.
None of which takes away from the amazing Horses.
― David A. (Davant), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 10:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Nu-Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 10:46 (twenty years ago) link
But wait... wasn't it canonized 'cause it was deemed "important"?
Some love it, some hate it, some are indifferent. What's the answer? A show of hands? This "important" thing seems kind of, well... silly.
― David A. (Davant), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 10:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 11:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 12:03 (twenty years ago) link
― The Spotlight Kid (kid), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 12:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 12:13 (twenty years ago) link
Yeah, "You Can't Stop The Bum Rush" rules. I'd never established a connection between 'em and Patti Smith, but I guess "Horses" shares that chaotic throw-everything-at-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks mood that that album has.
What? Oh, Cohen. He's great too. "The Essential" rocked my Spring of 2003.
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 12:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Flyboy (Flyboy), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 12:45 (twenty years ago) link
― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 12:47 (twenty years ago) link
― thiscorrosion, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 13:10 (twenty years ago) link
kesha is the patti smith of our generation, discuss
― wizzz! (amateurist), Saturday, 7 May 2016 21:24 (eight years ago) link
no
― dat login (wins), Saturday, 7 May 2016 21:25 (eight years ago) link
I'm pretty sure I prefer Radio Ethiopia to Horses actually. Easter I've never got into if only because the song mentioned above is so collossally misguided and wrongheaded.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 7 May 2016 21:37 (eight years ago) link
i thought it was pretty badass when i was younger, and musically it still is, but yeah
― Francis Ford Cupola (contenderizer), Saturday, 7 May 2016 22:19 (eight years ago) link
It's actually interesting that the Patti Smith and Frank Zappa threads are going on at the same time. Both kind of interesting, smart people from the 60s and 70s (respectively) who weren't quite up to transcending their times. I like her more than him, but that's just personal taste.
― dlp9001, Saturday, 7 May 2016 22:21 (eight years ago) link
Did Patti ever have any difficult interaction with Weird Al or his band? Because then that would tie this thread with the Zappa thread and the Prince RIP thread as well.
― Wrecka Stow Ralph (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 7 May 2016 22:28 (eight years ago) link
Or else we could just discuss her jazz bonafides for the same result
― Wrecka Stow Ralph (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 7 May 2016 22:53 (eight years ago) link
oh she has those in spades
― dat login (wins), Saturday, 7 May 2016 22:55 (eight years ago) link
Um...
― Wrecka Stow Ralph (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 7 May 2016 23:02 (eight years ago) link
there is a book from the 70's called Rock 100 that Lenny Kaye co-wrote and i know there is a Zappa entry, but i don't remember what they wrote about him.
― scott seward, Saturday, 7 May 2016 23:26 (eight years ago) link
I'd be willing to let it slide (like anyone cares lol) if it was just one incredibly stupid song from roughly the era of songs called "mongoloid"
don't drag Devo into this!
― sarahell, Saturday, 7 May 2016 23:54 (eight years ago) link
but yeah, for me, it's the cringe-inducing "skip this track" thing like with Morrissey's "Bengali in Platforms"
― sarahell, Saturday, 7 May 2016 23:56 (eight years ago) link
It's way more aggressively cringey than Bengali, though Bengali's core message is way worse and meaner, but like when I was young I didn't even have the cultural literacy to know what Bengali meant in UK culture plus the song kinda drifts by in a haze whereas RnRN is so instantly like damn white lady pump yr brakes on the n word
― rockpalast '82 (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 8 May 2016 00:59 (eight years ago) link
did she ever wear that lester bangs t-shirt? did lester bangs make that t-shirt? he had a lot of homemade t-shirts.
― scott seward, Sunday, 8 May 2016 01:55 (eight years ago) link
Remember when that was a viable business model? When I was a kid, I had a friend whose parents ran a T-shirt printing store. I remember my whole third or fourth grade class went on a field trip and we got T-shirts printed there, so they'd be able to keep track of us all. I don't remember where we went, but I remember the T-shirts. They were green.
― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 8 May 2016 01:58 (eight years ago) link
Oh yeah, I got a Let It Be t-shirt that way, to name one, from one of those places where they had all the imprints up on the wall so you could pick one, choose your shirt size and color and then they would use a press iron to meld it all together. The last time I saw something like that was late 70s.
― Wrecka Stow Ralph (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 8 May 2016 02:05 (eight years ago) link
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/12/bf/c5/12bfc552bc9624ac0819fab5248b1806.jpg
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 8 May 2016 08:23 (eight years ago) link
As mentioned a couple of times above "Piss Factory"/"Hey Joe" is really great - pretty much the only thing I'll return to (slightly surprised Penman didn't mention it).
And then her voice was sampled in a Dead C track in World Peace Hope Et Al. Its only a couple of mins long but its the only other time I cared.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 8 May 2016 09:10 (eight years ago) link
Was enjoying listening to this this am, has a brief snippet of smith. Her magnetism is apparent (and yeah the assertion that she might be reacting against the beat lineage in any way is mildly baffling)
― dat login (wins), Sunday, 8 May 2016 10:38 (eight years ago) link