the news business is a good analogy. it's almost exactly the same problem i think.
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I agree w/ that
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
sadly, you don't have millions of kids staring longingly at CSPAN going "someday I'm gonna write a paper about this $$$$$$$"
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
The physical cost of CDs and their packaging was always a relatively small part of the overall cost of bringing a record to market.
― extremely lewd and incredibly crass (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
when you publish Frogbsonomics, I'm going to buy every copy (for the price of five copies) and light them all on fire
you can't buy "every" copy because I'm talking about infinitely replicable nonphysical objects!
― frogbs, Tuesday, January 17, 2012 1:07 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
ok then i'll pee on your kindle, does that work
― the name of a bar in Portland where I had a dark night of the soul (some dude), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
And it's also not where most of the value was, obviously. People didn't pay for the shiny plastic discs with pretty pictures, they payed for the music.
― extremely lewd and incredibly crass (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
it's basically the problem of finding a way to price + get people to pay for information when distribution costs for information are trending towards zero and the total quantity of information is higher than ever.
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
distribution is a pretty big cost too. going from plant to large distributor to small distrubutor to record store to consumer involves markups at each level, which isnt really necessary anymore
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
Also there's the whole argument that the production costs of music are going down too, which is sort of true. But most people still want expensively-produced, expensively mass-marketed music, contrary to what some guy recording into a firepod in his underwear might want to believe.
― extremely lewd and incredibly crass (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
dude should really take the firepod out of his underwear
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
it doesn't matter what people want if the market can't support it in the long-term. there's no inherent human need for expensively-produced music.
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
Oh so what happens if SOPA passes? People will continue to nick stuff off the internet. If that fails, they'll carve new grooves into the internet and share through those. If that fails, they'll set up local gatherings and swap hard drives. I have soooo much more to say on this btw.― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, January 12, 2012 10:23 PM (5 days ago)
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, January 12, 2012 10:23 PM (5 days ago)
I asked this on another thread, but any guesses as to how many bytes the entire Impulse and Blue Note catalogues would take up?
You can buy 1 Terabyte USB drives now. Storage is getting cheaper every day....
― m0stlyClean, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
man i really hope this legislation and its attendant debate die off or take a very different shape very soon just because i don't want to see "Sh1pley Gohard" at the top of new answers for the next 6 months
― the name of a bar in Portland where I had a dark night of the soul (some dude), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
― extremely lewd and incredibly crass (Hurting 2), Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:10 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i know what you mean but in a literal sense this is backwards
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
exactly, which is why I think taxing the internet itself is probably a more sensible way to go.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
you're pretty good at taxing ilx, maybe they can put you in charge of the rest of the internet too
― the name of a bar in Portland where I had a dark night of the soul (some dude), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
right, plus we're headed toward a future where things are based on "cloud" technology and storage is essentially infinite.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
haha daaamn
xp
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
everyone who uses the internet pays a tax? levied by whom? and given to the government? who disburses it to... content producers/copyright holders? ASCAP? man, what could go wrong?
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
assuming all those entities weren't corrupt as hell, it could work
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
Well yeah, lets just ignore those pesky realities.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
that strategy's worked pretty well for the music business
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
i think the idea itself is corrupt as hell. just to have an email account and surf the web, my mom has to pay a tax that gets directed to the bronfman family, just because napster exists?
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
re: the "Canadian solution", the tax gets distributed according to who has the most sales. This sucks. Every blank disc you buy, you are subsidising Nickelback. Most sales does not necessarily equal most pirated. Also, fuck you Canadian government for charging artists who buy blank media in order to duplicate and distribute their OWN music.
― m0stlyClean, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
she has to pay taxes for lots of other things that don't benefit her goole. including some art programs.
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
lol Nickelback's continued existence now makes sense
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
my mom has gone to see every federally funded art object within 750 miles of her doorstep
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
I don't nec. think it should be levied on internet users but I do think that ultimately national funding for art is prob gonna be the long-long-term answer to 'how do we pay artists' / 'are there benefits to having a large art economy that don't get reflected w/ free market pricing'
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
yes, and I have to fund my local school's music program even though I don't have kids. I mean I get this is what everybody is going to say, but the amount of people who actually just use the internet to surf the web and get email is getting pretty low isn't it? Even my grandma is obsessed with YouTube these days.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
"Sorry we went out of business and lost all your stuff forever when our servers shut down, sucks to be you!"
― i couldn't adjust the food knobs (Phil D.), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I'm more concerned about my apt burning down than amazon servers suddenly disappearing
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
everytime someone downloads an album the government should charge nickelback a dollar.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
Even my grandma is obsessed with YouTube these days.
Yes but watching a couple YouTube videos a week is not at all similar to your 10,000 album downloader.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
but the alternative to this is...the artists with the most sales make the most money??
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
seems like there's an obvious difference between paying the local district for someone else's schooling and paying license holders (or supposedly fairly-distributing agencies thereof) for someone else's presumed piracy
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
That's what you get for living in those urban tenements you love so much xxxxp
― i couldn't adjust the food knobs (Phil D.), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
xxp pardon me if I'm misunderstading this but isn't SOPA kind of suggesting otherwise?
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
yes, the first model is worse and has led to generations of shitty school systems xp
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
well ok, but so what? one is a funding mechanism for a public good, the other is organized restitution for a crime being committed, by someone, somewhere...
our business is way off, must be all those downloaders!!! i've never seen numbers that are convincing about this, or even definitive.
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
music should be a public good and should be funded as one!
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
jesus even i don't agree with that.
i liked it better when it was a corrupt market run by the mob tbf.
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
yeah so did lots of people but technology has made that p. impossible in the long-term
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
and tbh I think there are industries that have been or will be even more fucked than the music biz by the same 'information distribution costs approach zero' problem. newspaper writers can't go on tour.
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
I can't wait until the technology that allows me to steal free LED TVs from the store, then the manufacturers will just have to "adapt".
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
that technology exists
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
no u c there is technology that will make LED TV's not particularly useful. you will be able to get one for free eventually, because nobody will want them.
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
Is there technology to prevent iatee double posts? Such a waste of resources.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
all my posts deserve multiple readings tbh
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:56 (twelve years ago) link