also would not have called it "oink!" and made it embarrassingly twee
― max, Thursday, 25 October 2007 16:02 (sixteen years ago) link
Wow, I had no idea OiNK was such a high-trafficked site. Did it really replace Slsk for you guys? (The only places I use to download entire albums are non-p2p venues like Sound Opinions Message Board and Sordo Music Archive.)
― jaymc, Thursday, 25 October 2007 16:06 (sixteen years ago) link
(I mean, I thought ILX just made fun of OiNK users.)
― jaymc, Thursday, 25 October 2007 16:08 (sixteen years ago) link
Did it really replace Slsk for you guys?
it did for me.
slsk was down when i tried it last night o_O
― am0n, Thursday, 25 October 2007 16:09 (sixteen years ago) link
friggy> you just get bailed for free? OiNK> yes -- smartface> does the paypal account have any funds on it ATM? OiNK> it had some, and the account has been permanently limited smartface> did they actually question you? OiNK> of course, for hours OiNK> the police had very limited technical knowledge, which made the interview quite amusing actually. OiNK> i wasn't willing to teach them how to use a computer OiNK> they actually wanted me to teach them how to set up a website OiNK> i just told them to google it. smartface> have you become a millionarie with our donations? OiNK> no smartface> are you planned for a trial anytime soon? OiNK> the earliest date for trial is 26th december - though highly unlikely -- Xenafor> IS YOUR FATHER OKAY AS WELL? OiNK> my father is fine. OiNK> my father was not arrested, though they did take his work laptop Xenafor> Are you a vegetarian? OiNK> yes. -- apelure> what does the carges about fraud mean? OiNK> i've not been charged ... -- knifeboy> Did they do the good cop/bad cop routine? OiNK> no -- Stormx2> Everyone is first and foremost concerned for you and everything, but at the back of our minds (I think) we're interested in what you think will happen the the pink palace. Obviously you won't have a starring roll, but will the backups be destroyed? OiNK> why would backups be destroyed? -- j2los> do you think at minimum the forums will be restored as a community for discussing music? OiNK> i don't know j2los> do you think it is absurd that only now that the site has been taken down has it been deemed notable enough for a wikipedia article? OiNK> i found that amusing, yes OiNK> i'm glad the article is staying neutral -- guildmast> Are there any plans for an official OiNK donations fund we can feel comfortable donating to? OiNK> not yet -- ftdrs> seriously though, what did they accuse you of? OiNK> conspiracy to defraud and copyright infringements -- maxdoubt> do you have/need legal representation? OiNK> i'm still deciding on legal advice -- Kevix> did you have any warning before hand that the knock opn your door was coming? OiNK> no -- Yawg> did you anticipate a raid in the past? Did you take any precautions regarding site design and logs and whatnot to protect the community? OiNK> the logs we store aren't enough to inciminate users -- Gl1mw0rm> are you still the rigtfull owner of the oink.cd domain? OiNK> unclear -- Barth> what about the recent security/privacy changes to the site and the irc? was that a coincidence or did you see something coming? OiNK> coincidence -- midnightgt> (without incriminating anyone) is there any copy of the source anywhere? Would you be in support of a second coming of the website? How do you think this reflects on the war on file sharing? (Certainly I do not feel like we are losing) OiNK> sorry, no comment :) -- lhnz> Why exactly did the cops want you to make a website for them?:P :D OiNK> dunno -- ATF> did you get fired from work? OiNK> yes -- gleam> do you think you or anyone else will ever hear from tmt again? :) OiNK> no -- MooIsTooWrong> do you think most of the people in this channel are asking asshat questions? OiNK> yes -- uQ1> What grounds did your work fire you? OiNK> i'm not going to go into that, sorry.
And now, something from this morning (after he'd seen the guardian article) OiNK> they got my company wrong, but besides that, it's quite a good article OiNK> the police were here around 30 mins ago, and they were not happy one bit when they left OiNK> they asked me how i was coping with all the media coming around OiNK> i said "i don't mind it at all, i'm just telling them the truth, unlike you"
http://tehpaine.blogspot.com
― jhøshea, Thursday, 25 October 2007 16:33 (sixteen years ago) link
a true hero
― deej, Thursday, 25 October 2007 16:35 (sixteen years ago) link
no jaymc, we made fun of people who wanted be oink users but couldn't get an invite
― cutty, Thursday, 25 October 2007 16:36 (sixteen years ago) link
http://socialjustice.ccnmtl.columbia.edu/images/0/05/Assata_Shakur_-_early_picture.jpg
― deej, Thursday, 25 October 2007 16:36 (sixteen years ago) link
Xenafor> Are you a vegetarian? OiNK> yes.
― max, Thursday, 25 October 2007 16:37 (sixteen years ago) link
i gave a googler an invite once
― jhøshea, Thursday, 25 October 2007 16:37 (sixteen years ago) link
Cutty otm
xp
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 25 October 2007 16:38 (sixteen years ago) link
seriously this dude is being silly. when he gets threatened w/ real time he will flip on any users who were posting shit before the release date.
― deej, Thursday, 25 October 2007 16:43 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.airbrush.ch/images/DesignFabu/Fila.jpg
― am0n, Thursday, 25 October 2007 16:50 (sixteen years ago) link
someone do nick sylvester style interview w/ OiNK
― deej, Thursday, 25 October 2007 16:52 (sixteen years ago) link
According to users, Oink had a daily throughput the equivalent of five million songs and registered members were able to download around 1,000 songs.
Best media line yet
― Confounded, Thursday, 25 October 2007 17:00 (sixteen years ago) link
i was about a year away from figuring out if i wanted to learn what oink is. don't you people get enough music as it is?
― tremendoid, Thursday, 25 October 2007 17:07 (sixteen years ago) link
(boxcar)
-- jhøshea, Thursday, October 25, 2007 12:37 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
lol, so did Confounded. to a lady who broke his heart.
― sanskrit, Thursday, 25 October 2007 17:25 (sixteen years ago) link
crabcigar APPRECIATION THREAD
― am0n, Thursday, 25 October 2007 17:43 (sixteen years ago) link
Q: Do I as a normal user need to be scared? A: No. The logs stored were not enough to incriminate any of our users. They have better things to do than hunt down 180,000 Britney Spears fans.
― Leee, Thursday, 25 October 2007 17:56 (sixteen years ago) link
if u uploaded an album before the release date tho?
― deej, Thursday, 25 October 2007 17:59 (sixteen years ago) link
not saying i have btw, i havent even been a member for over a year
― deej, Thursday, 25 October 2007 18:00 (sixteen years ago) link
i still miss audiogalaxy
― forksclovetofu, Thursday, 25 October 2007 18:14 (sixteen years ago) link
Hardly an authoritative reply: http://tehpaine.blogspot.com/2007/10/frequently-asked-questions.html#c9161380854469170335
― Leee, Thursday, 25 October 2007 18:18 (sixteen years ago) link
-- sanskrit, Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:25 PM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
do i want to know more abt this?
― jhøshea, Thursday, 25 October 2007 18:25 (sixteen years ago) link
I hope everyone of you thieves is hounded to your graves for stealing money from artists that starved for their fame. You think that musicians are born rich? Think again. You're on the same moral ground as a race riot looter. Feel that you fucktards.
from Leee's link.
Feel that you fucktards.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 25 October 2007 18:36 (sixteen years ago) link
audiogalaxy was such shit. yeah i want an album of mp3s culled from 10 different people, different bitrates, and some incompletes. uhhhh?
― cutty, Thursday, 25 October 2007 18:36 (sixteen years ago) link
lol specifically a RACE riot looter
― deej, Thursday, 25 October 2007 18:56 (sixteen years ago) link
Audiogalaxy was BROAD; I could find music on there by local bands I went to college with. Also, the community aspect was great. I missed OINK entirely, though one of you folks DID pass me an invite, so I'm not sure how it compares.
― forksclovetofu, Thursday, 25 October 2007 19:16 (sixteen years ago) link
i assure you oink was BROAD-ER. i sent your significant other an invite.
― cutty, Thursday, 25 October 2007 19:20 (sixteen years ago) link
Meanwhile, Usenet just keeps on chugging away...
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 25 October 2007 19:28 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, Audiogalaxy was awesome for tracking down rare b-side or whatever, but an absolute nightmare for getting albums.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 25 October 2007 19:30 (sixteen years ago) link
What is usenet? I keep seeing this mentioned now.
― Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 25 October 2007 20:00 (sixteen years ago) link
It's like this text-based group-based topic-based network thing that existed before the graphical browser html thing took over.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
― StanM, Thursday, 25 October 2007 20:06 (sixteen years ago) link
some thoughts--
the record labels are already fucked. no hope for them with any of the new models they've tried to implement.
they had the biggest, nerdiest, music consumers (by consume i mean downloading, uploading and listening) right in front of them with oink.
they could have monetized that shit. release albums to oink, etc. instead the completely OBLITERATE their demographic in one fell swoop.
wake up, morans...
― cutty, Thursday, 25 October 2007 21:29 (sixteen years ago) link
the labels couldn't get an invite
― am0n, Thursday, 25 October 2007 22:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Approximately 175,000 of the 180,000 members were industry people.
― StanM, Thursday, 25 October 2007 22:05 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm sure the real stats on industry people on oink would blow some minds.
― cutty, Thursday, 25 October 2007 22:19 (sixteen years ago) link
I can't believe Usenet has never been seriously policed by The Man. It's been the home of free shit for a decade or more, and honestly, it seems as good as ever.
― Dandy Don Weiner, Thursday, 25 October 2007 22:36 (sixteen years ago) link
I can't believe people don't know what Usenet is.
― HI DERE, Thursday, 25 October 2007 22:40 (sixteen years ago) link
The Man and all his fuckwitted lackeys are way too dense to get their heads round binaries.
mind, i've not been anywhere near usenet for years now.
― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 25 October 2007 22:40 (sixteen years ago) link
anyone have an invite to usenet ;)
― cutty, Thursday, 25 October 2007 22:42 (sixteen years ago) link
alt.confused.googlers.IRE
― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 25 October 2007 22:43 (sixteen years ago) link
Anti file-sharing laws considered
I'm confused by a couple of quotes:
While he said that the government had no interest in "hounding 14-year-olds who shared music", it was intent on tracking down those who made multiple copies for profit.
so they'll be tracking down... no one? "Multiple copies for profit"?
"Where people have registered music as an intellectual property I believe we will be able to match data banks of that music to music going out and being exchanged on the net"
And, what? I can't even begin to guess a meaning for that. Is there a single vague notion about what file-sharing involves amongst people of authority?
― Merdeyeux, Thursday, 25 October 2007 22:45 (sixteen years ago) link
I can't believe Usenet has never been seriously policed by The Man.
I believe my ISP doesn't carry binaries groups anymore after being threatened by exactly That Man a couple of years ago - but when they did their retention rates were so crappy it wasn't very useful anyway.
― StanM, Thursday, 25 October 2007 22:51 (sixteen years ago) link
God, all this talk of usenet brings back memories... ("http? It'll never catch on, it's just souped-up ftp with pictures!")
― StanM, Thursday, 25 October 2007 22:55 (sixteen years ago) link
This spirit of this is true - It's always really funny to hear the Brave Filesharers of Today imagining that every last label employee wasn't on OiNK. Because in fact they all were.
― J0hn D., Thursday, 25 October 2007 22:56 (sixteen years ago) link
It makes this news story even more hilarious than ever...
RIAA Sues Usenet, Decries it as 'Brazen Outlaw' By David Kravets 10.16.07 | 4:00 PMThe Recording Industry Association of America's litigation strategy is taking a detour into the internet's Precambrian layer, suing a company that distributes the ancient decentralized message board known as Usenet.Fargo, North Dakota-based Usenet.com is the target of the lawsuit (.pdf) filed in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, in which 14 recording companies allege the service "enables and encourages its customers to reproduce and distribute millions of infringing copies of Plaintiff's valuable copyrighted sound recordings."The suit, filed Friday, is something of a throwback in the RIAA's recent litigation strategy. It targets an alleged facilitator of copyright theft instead of an individual pirate."They started by going after Napster, Aimster, Grokster, and after that they said, 'We're gonna go after individuals to see if we (can) get into the psyche of people that peer-to-peer file sharing is wrong,'" says Washington, D.C.-based copyright attorney Ross Dannenberg. "Now it has come full circle. Throughout this cycle, (Usenet) newsgroups have been ignored."In the past four years, the RIAA has sued more than 20,000 people on allegations of copyright infringement. Two weeks ago, the association won a $222,000 judgment in the first such case to go to trial.But Usenet's decentralized architecture means RIAA gumshoes can't easily trace uploaders, as they can on peer-to-peer services like Kazaa. That may have prompted the RIAA to focus on feed provider Usenet.com, which boasts about the anonymity it provides users."Shh ... quiet! We believe it’s no one’s business but your own what you do on the internet or in Usenet! We don’t log your activity. We don’t track your downloads," the company says on its website. It also offers an encrypted tunneling service, for an additional fee, to frustrate any efforts by ISPs or corporate network administrators to police downloads.The Usenet network is a global, distributed message-board network that was created in the pre-internet days, when it relied on dialup modems for distribution. Now it's carried over the internet. Usenet.com redistributes the full Usenet feed for a subscription fee.Usenet.com did not immediately return messages for comment.
The Recording Industry Association of America's litigation strategy is taking a detour into the internet's Precambrian layer, suing a company that distributes the ancient decentralized message board known as Usenet.
Fargo, North Dakota-based Usenet.com is the target of the lawsuit (.pdf) filed in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, in which 14 recording companies allege the service "enables and encourages its customers to reproduce and distribute millions of infringing copies of Plaintiff's valuable copyrighted sound recordings."
The suit, filed Friday, is something of a throwback in the RIAA's recent litigation strategy. It targets an alleged facilitator of copyright theft instead of an individual pirate.
"They started by going after Napster, Aimster, Grokster, and after that they said, 'We're gonna go after individuals to see if we (can) get into the psyche of people that peer-to-peer file sharing is wrong,'" says Washington, D.C.-based copyright attorney Ross Dannenberg. "Now it has come full circle. Throughout this cycle, (Usenet) newsgroups have been ignored."
In the past four years, the RIAA has sued more than 20,000 people on allegations of copyright infringement. Two weeks ago, the association won a $222,000 judgment in the first such case to go to trial.
But Usenet's decentralized architecture means RIAA gumshoes can't easily trace uploaders, as they can on peer-to-peer services like Kazaa. That may have prompted the RIAA to focus on feed provider Usenet.com, which boasts about the anonymity it provides users.
"Shh ... quiet! We believe it’s no one’s business but your own what you do on the internet or in Usenet! We don’t log your activity. We don’t track your downloads," the company says on its website. It also offers an encrypted tunneling service, for an additional fee, to frustrate any efforts by ISPs or corporate network administrators to police downloads.
The Usenet network is a global, distributed message-board network that was created in the pre-internet days, when it relied on dialup modems for distribution. Now it's carried over the internet. Usenet.com redistributes the full Usenet feed for a subscription fee.
Usenet.com did not immediately return messages for comment.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 25 October 2007 23:00 (sixteen years ago) link
RIAA goon #1: I hear there's copyright violation on Usenet! OMGWTF RIAA goon #2: Usenet? Is that a dot com or a dot net? RIAA goon #1: Just sue whatever comes up
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 25 October 2007 23:01 (sixteen years ago) link
All the more reason to spend a couple bucks on dedicated usenet service. ISP usenet almost always blows.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 25 October 2007 23:02 (sixteen years ago) link