Oh God, NME Tries To Start Yet Another New Movement ..... SHROOMADELICA - The music movement that will 'weird up your head',

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wish i'd bought that 10" of theirs now

the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:35 (twenty years ago) link

Trying to persuade Uncut to do it as a lead, but when I mentioned it to DP yesterday he shrugged his shoulders and asked me "fancy reviewing the Bay City Rollers compilation?"

Do you reckon my time with Uncut might be coming to an end?...I'm now on the payroll of Time Out, and John Lewis seems to be a million times more open to my ideas. So I'll probably take my Earlies rave review there.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:39 (twenty years ago) link

i dunno, to be honest marcello, new things are coming up for me, and media is a closed public school club for white, affluent middle-class individuals. so i just try to have fun. and am focussing on the indie record company job that i got plus nme writing.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:45 (twenty years ago) link

The Bay City Rollers were a far finer band than any band listed on this thread so far...

x-post, oh dear lord...

Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:46 (twenty years ago) link

Didn't they do nu-psychedlia about four or five years ago? Except then apparently it meant the Super Furries and the Flaming Lips and the Beta Band and stuff.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:47 (twenty years ago) link

new music is officially at its lowest point ever, save for a very small handful of bands

the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:48 (twenty years ago) link

this kathryn williams covers album is beautiful like a francoise hardy sings in english or something.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:50 (twenty years ago) link

The thread has provided me with some much-needed laffs this morning.

Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:53 (twenty years ago) link

'coming from a dark place'

marcello, don't stress and have fun. that's the advice. otherwise 'comes from a dark place'

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:53 (twenty years ago) link

Oh I'm not feeling stressed or particularly dark at the moment, just a bit depressed at the moment for reasons which have nowt to do with the Greater London Music Media.

Actually Kate, d'you fancy doing the Rollers review? I've tried my best with them but even I can't rehabilitate every doe-eyed bubbleboy from the '70s!

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 08:01 (twenty years ago) link

you never followed up my email, marcello -- so i assumed everything was good and happy in carlin-land.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 08:03 (twenty years ago) link

hopefully??

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 08:03 (twenty years ago) link

marcello, have you heard 'john stammers?' it roxxx!

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 08:08 (twenty years ago) link

Heh heh, don't tempt me, Marcello.

Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 08:12 (twenty years ago) link

(i.e. yes, I would very much like to do it, and I'd like to get paid for doing it, but I don't want to get sucked back into the nebulous world of music journalism.)

Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 08:13 (twenty years ago) link

am going to regret this but what is so nebulous about getting paid for writing and being sent to free shows and getting free music?

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 08:29 (twenty years ago) link

Jesus Christ (referring back to the original topic of this thread): Does this desperate idea for a new movement mean they'll also be trying to foist Gong and Ozric Tentacles as its forefathers. The earlier post about new music being at its lowest ebb would sound all too plausible were that the case...

M Carty (mj_c), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 08:30 (twenty years ago) link

i want a magma and goblin revival!

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 08:31 (twenty years ago) link

New music is great. However, having said that, the stuff I'm excited about this year is all third/fourth/ninth albums by bands I've liked for years.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 08:32 (twenty years ago) link

I'm sure this will be as big a success for the NME as nwemo was.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 08:43 (twenty years ago) link

am going to regret this but what is so nebulous about getting paid for writing and being sent to free shows and getting free music?

You agreed with me when we discussed this IRL.

1) All of the above is nice when it's in regard to music that you love and actually want to rave about. But 90% of the music that you will be asked to write about is boring, souless, vapid stuff that inspires no passion, either way. I just can't fake passion I don't feel.

2) It's the "when what you love becomes your job" dilemma that I've suffered with regards to music for quite a while. When it's something fun that you do every now and then for the sheer enjoyment of it, it's great. When your fun-thing hobby becomes your WORK with all the pressures and strains that that entails, what do you have left to kick back and enjoy yourself?

Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:06 (twenty years ago) link

Of course there's always been a shroomadelic element to my music.

winterland, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:08 (twenty years ago) link

the earlies. yum yum. the memory band. yum yum. glad to hear that the earlies album on its way . heard ep4 and was mighty impressed. so ta for the tipoff on the lp ..
can i mention Bronze Age Fox here as new music thats worthy then ? cos fuck i heard a Zutons track on Radio6 and damn it depressed me .. second rate cast-offs tis the Scene With No Name all over again .. buncha crap bands all joined at the centre by ignite sanctioned staples

mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:19 (twenty years ago) link

this kathryn williams covers album is beautiful like a francoise hardy sings in english or something
ok, i'll bite. what songs does she cover, doomie? i must say i bought Little Black Numbers and instantly regretted it so, y'know, once bitten...

zebedee (zebedee), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:32 (twenty years ago) link

if you didnt like little black numbers then you probably arent going to care for the covers album -- but it is pavement, ivor cutler, big star, nirvana and many others.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:34 (twenty years ago) link

new music is officially at its lowest point ever, save for a very small handful of bands

so so so so so so so so wrong... am hearing a couple of new records a day, at the moment, that are blowing my mind.

But 90% of the music that you will be asked to write about is boring, souless, vapid stuff that inspires no passion, either way. I just can't fake passion I don't feel.

if you pitch for ideas as opposed to being offered them, this isn't the case. i write *a lot*, and i still only really write about the stuff i like, unless its a singles review. i don't really enjoy writing lukewarm/negative reviews - if i dislike something, it goes in the To Sell bin and i move on.

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:34 (twenty years ago) link

re: kate's post. i only write about stuff i like, so point 1, never really figures in.

yeah, wot stevie said.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:35 (twenty years ago) link

also, best mushroom-related track right now is El-P and Camu Tao off the new Def Jux comp... Hilarious, the duo trying to fuck shit up before the mushrooms they've taken kick in. best thing on that comp by miles, too.

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:36 (twenty years ago) link

everything i've ever written i've got through pitching. its harder but more satisfying.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:36 (twenty years ago) link

Stevie, Doomie, there's still no getting around Point 2, which was the ultimate sticking point.

Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:39 (twenty years ago) link

after working admin etc -- doing music full time is a joy.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:40 (twenty years ago) link

re: kate's post. i only write about stuff i like, so point 1, never really figures in.

This is a lovely ideal, but the reality is that no matter what you actually end up writing about, you still have to wade through a gigantic fucking shitpile of mediocre demos, CDs and (this is the clincher) awful awful dull gigs to get through to the good stuff - that's the thing that constantly threatens to kill the love for me, and that's what I think Kate's referring to in her first point.

Also, Doomie you're spot-on - Kathryn Williams album's magnificent...

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:41 (twenty years ago) link

2 1/2 years and am still getting 'cited. and happy that i'm actually writing about music. not bad. don't think its going to change for me.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:43 (twenty years ago) link

that's true, kate, but that's true of any job. what keeps me going is the sense that, with each piece (okay, not every single piece) i'm getting better at this. satisfaction with what i've written is a key reason to why i'm doing this (along with, of course, getting paid), and if ever i feel i'm running on autopilot or just phoning it in, i stop myself and change the way i'm approaching the assignment.

it just seems to me, *any* job will get boring, if you let it. for me, as a freelancer, every day is different, every piece is a fucking *challenge* to be better than my last, to achieve some impossible goal of perfection. and i still really really really enjoy writing, and music. i don't think i'll ever tire of either, so to be working with both is a treat.

doomie otm.

This is a lovely ideal, but the reality is that no matter what you actually end up writing about, you still have to wade through a gigantic fucking shitpile of mediocre demos, CDs and (this is the clincher) awful awful dull gigs to get through to the good stuff - that's the thing that constantly threatens to kill the love for me, and that's what I think Kate's referring to in her first point.

charlie sorta otm, too... (and it was great to finally meet you at ATP, when my girlfriend was whupping my ass at airhockey)... i mean, listening to wave after wave of crap can be pretty disheartening, but i fight against that by slamming something 100% assuredly GREAT after listening to lotsa crap (MC5's '66 Breakout' or Duke Ellington's 'Money Train' or anything by the Posies seems to do that at the moment). I mean, being confronted with crap is a downer in any sphere, be it watching movies, reading books, listening to the radio. you just can't let it dowse your essential enthusiasm. i mean, i know that's a danger, but you just *can't*.

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:47 (twenty years ago) link

i write like a retard on ILX.

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:48 (twenty years ago) link

re KW .. the pedro collab that she did on moshi moshi was my fave record of the year it came out. superb stuff. agreed re negative vibes .. only write up stuff i like .. otherwise i would have to change the name of my site .. and that aint going to happen ..

mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:54 (twenty years ago) link

Doomie, after working full-time in the music industry for a couple of years, it is a RELIEF and a JOY to working on a database three days a week to pay the bills, and going back to making bubbledrone epics for me alone in my bedroom the other four days.

I'm just *not* a music journalist, it's not my calling, I've never wanted to be one, yet loads of other people have consistently told me (for over ten years now) that I should be one. It's irritating feeling like I have to justify not being one.

Anyway, back on topic... shroomadelica. It's really kind of a cop-out isn't it? Cause, like, Shrooms are the "legal loophole" psychedelic for those too scared to take hardcore, illegal psychedelics.

(I mean, that's not even getting into the stupidity of glamourising hardcore, illegal drug use, but that's another story...)

It perfectly encapsulates the NME mentality, doesn't it? Let's peddle a nice, safe, watered-down, legal version of an already exisiting genre. Sigh.

Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:54 (twenty years ago) link

(multiple x-post)

Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:54 (twenty years ago) link

i love music.

i love psychedelia.

i love illegal drugs.

hey. tailor made!

am listening to kw right now.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:55 (twenty years ago) link

I wonder if this is going to be a running feature over the next few months until Glastonbury(presumably the spiritual home).
Don't hype it up on the cover too early, just test the water and hope it catches on.
I wonder what other bands they have in mind for 'Shroomadelica'. And yes, who will be the 'godfathers' of the scene who the kids will check out (Please god don't let it be Sgt Peppers!)

Alexei, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:57 (twenty years ago) link

captain beefheart, obviously.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:58 (twenty years ago) link

nme? therefore probably Cast.

mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:59 (twenty years ago) link

cheers, marcello, got the album review for the earlies . thanks for the alert.

x-post - captain beefheart!

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 10:01 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, but I'd like to see Kate's take on the bay cities, though.

Bods have often said "hey mark, you should have been a journo for a music mag", all said bods not being writers (or even readers) of music mags. Its no put down, but as far as writing about stuff (check my "Laugh I almost bought one" marissa marchant piece/thread here, my critical facilities run only as far as "It's interesting/I like", "It's a bit dull/It's OK" and "Its Rubbish/I don't get it". I just can't quite get into florid hyperbolae. I can write around things, but to hit it directly...

I did write 'audition' pieces back in the day, of the Primitives second album. I finished it, read it, and realised I'd written a rave review of an album I didn't think was that great. (never played it again anyhow. The first album I think is still a classic, but that's by the way)...

This is going to be so xpost, it's not true... (xpost, yup!)

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 10:01 (twenty years ago) link

gareth merenghi's dark places.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 10:02 (twenty years ago) link

...and fuckin' Zappa.

Can't we have a Proper Daft Clever Pop revival now? Saw David Devant last night, fucking brilliant.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 10:02 (twenty years ago) link

The thing is that people *think* was recorded "wow, like, on acid, man!" was often recorded by naturally daft nutters who in actuality never went near the stuff. (See early Flaming Lips, who are probably gonna get namechecked a lot if this does become a movement...)

Music recorded by people actually on psychedelic drugs sounds more like the Grateful Dead, i.e. terribly dull and tedious for anyone *not* on psychedelics.

Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 10:06 (twenty years ago) link

I might do a "drugs in music" think piece later, but now I'm off for a haircut.

Chop-chop!

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 10:08 (twenty years ago) link

I'm curious. Did people like Beefheart and Zappa actually *take* psychedelics, or were they just that way "naturally"? I honestly don't know that much about them.

So many of the people I've known who made really psychedelic music were the way they were a long time before they ever took drugs.

Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 10:10 (twenty years ago) link

i'm keen to hear this kathryn williams album. i'm excited about this earlies album, more excited about the cranebuilders and tacoma radar albums though. my love of galaxie 500 will never die

the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 10:13 (twenty years ago) link

Also, I've been thinking of starting another thread for this, but I've been reluctant. I don't wish to get too off topic, but my burning question is: Did Amon Duul really ever do anything even half as good as Archangel Thunderbird? My compilation tells me to fear the answer.

bimble (bimble), Sunday, 9 May 2004 09:45 (twenty years ago) link

Soap Shop Rock.

Royston, Sunday, 9 May 2004 15:11 (twenty years ago) link

pure reason revolution -- apprentice of the universe. i review them live a few months ago -- and i find myself pulling the single out and listening to it alot lately. its sort of like amonn dull crossed with the monkees.

jesus, this was one of the most horrific shows i've seen all year... like a bunch of hoxton hairdresser born-again christians rocking through the soundtrack of Hair while pulling painful Radiohead faces. one of the guitarists wore the band's own tee shirt too. Icksville, Tennessee...

stevie (stevie), Sunday, 9 May 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago) link

they are from reading!

doomie x, Sunday, 9 May 2004 17:37 (twenty years ago) link

born-again christians rocking through the soundtrack of Hair while pulling painful

ha ha ha! cross that with a pop-prog monkees and you've got it. rocking!

doomie x, Sunday, 9 May 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago) link

they are from reading!

They are? I hadn't noticed (which is quite possible)

mark grout (mark grout), Sunday, 9 May 2004 19:55 (twenty years ago) link

is this anything like weirdo beardcore?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 9 May 2004 20:45 (twenty years ago) link

"I hate stoners. "

me too.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 9 May 2004 22:40 (twenty years ago) link

eleven years pass...

doomie was from Hamilton?

Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 19:39 (eight years ago) link

I think this was the worst 'scene' that NME ever tried to create. ESOJ OTM upthread

Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 19:49 (eight years ago) link

yeah yeah.

i will defend regular fries no matter what micro-genre they get lumped in with.

they were connected, the records were really well produced, had some amazing remixes by the top names of the day, and made tripped out psych-funk-hip hop-rock records.

if, you had no idea re their NME connection, i would suggest that in 10 years you would be hailing them as classics CS

mark e, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 19:57 (eight years ago) link

I heard them at the time and thought they were crap.
Also I dont remember the term 'skunk rock' they got called in that above article.

Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 19:59 (eight years ago) link

i genuinely believe that if you heard the fries debut without any prior knowledge you would enjoy ..

mark e, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 20:01 (eight years ago) link

but i heard them on the evening session before i read about them. I think i got a 12" of theirs for 50p in Impulse Records in Hamilton when it came out.

Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 20:41 (eight years ago) link

There was an attempted NME scene called 'stool' possibly late 90s. Don't think it ever caught on cos it's a shit title.
Despite the crap pun that is true. Think it was singer-songwriter plus band stuff.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 21:49 (eight years ago) link

was that the taking the piss out of noel rock thing?

Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 22:30 (eight years ago) link

yeah, stoolrock was Noely G-based

let no-one live rent free in your butt (sic), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 23:08 (eight years ago) link

also Lo-Fis were great, Regular Fries were good, and if the first Campag album stopped after 45 minutes it'd be a lot better

let no-one live rent free in your butt (sic), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 23:13 (eight years ago) link

despite the ILM consensus 'sic' tells the truth.

also, the second campag velocet album is a lot better than it should have been ..

mark e, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 23:16 (eight years ago) link


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