"Born to Run" by Bruce Springsteen -- who really enjoys this overproduced crappy glop?

hating this song is a one-way ticket to coolville so kiu dudes

max I would like to join your dadrock defense brigade, is there a t-shirt or uniform I should acquire and wear?

I just finished reading James Miller's Flowers in the Dustbin. He marks the hyping of Springsteen leading up to the release of Born To Run as a milestone in the decline of rock and roll - the moment when the tail started to wag the dog - ie., rock-journo hype about an "important" new artist makes them seem fleetingly important.

tradeshow polo tucked into blue jeans xp

"DAD" on the front, "ROCK" on the back.

I hate when people turn liking or disliking Springsteen into a class issue.

the album isn't as good as the river or darkness but it's alright

the production of the title tune seems to be an intentional attempt to do a phil spector Wall of Sound; it doesn't really work though

I just finished reading James Miller's Flowers in the Dustbin. He marks the hyping of Springsteen leading up to the release of Born To Run as a milestone in the decline of rock and roll - the moment when the tail started to wag the dog - ie., rock-journo hype about an "important" new artist makes them seem fleetingly important.

i learned some stuff from "flowers in the dustbin." but he literally ends the book in 1977, and more or less pronounces pop music dead at that point. which makes some of his pronouncements, such as that above, kind of hard to take seriously.

Yeah, I don't necessarily agree with him, and I wasn't old enough in '74-75 to remember what the Springsteen hype was like, though if Born To Run was being held up as the Highway 61 Revisited or Sgt. Peppers of the '70s, it's easy to see how some might have felt underwhelmed.

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i still like this song and album.

I love the song, and it's a great album too. I don't really get why people don't dig at least the song (overproduced? I guess if Orbison on Monument is overproduced). But a big part of it seems to be the usual hipster anti-hype, and that's just bullshit.

this is a great record fuck the haters

As someone who loves this song (and this album), I can easily understand why someone would loathe it. Some people need some subtlety!

has some pretty noise big man moments
bruce is generally too OTT for me though

i'm curious how many people who don't like this album like Nebraska

I liked "Atlantic City," I'll say that.

Me.

The title track at least.

i'm curious how many people who don't like this album like Nebraska

my two favorite bruce records!

I've known live versions of most of these songs for years, got the 30th anniversary edition for the Hammersmith Odeon show, which is mostly great (just a couple of rambling directionless long tracks from his first two albums), and I thought I'd check out the remastered album today (never heard it before) and boy does it suck. Cardboard boxes for drums? Reverb on the Backstreets vocals? I expected something timeless and full of energy and dynamics and it's just this over the top but still very flat seventies sounding turd. Some bits are almost there, but they only make me want to listen to live versions :-(

listening to this boot War and Roses, outtakes from Born to Run and hoooooly shit @ the acoustic "Thunder Road":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTqCf0LIRqU

thinking about this song b/c the last line is kinda essential to who I am and I wonder what it would be like to get to a place in my life where I couldn't really mean it

I was thinking about this album because I just moved away from NJ.

OK - Yeah, the acoustic Thunder Road is one of the best outtakes by anybody, ever - and it remains unreleased after all this time & The release of Tracks. Once upon a time, Springsteen's song choices were even more perplexing than Dylan's but, as the 4th disc of Tracks reveals, he's getting better.

In answer to the original question: *raises hand* Oh! Me! Me!!

The sonic tapestry of Roy Orbison & Phil Spector rolling happily in the mud with Van Morrison remains a potent one.

this song bloooows

early bruce feels like west side story meets happy days for me

and by this song i mean "born to run" not "thunder road," which i can hear without wanting to shove a tony award up bruce's ass

all the crap u defend and u don't like born to run...weird

can't believe that no one has proposed a west end born to run musical to bruce yet;
which hopefully means he's smart enough to never ever allow it

Born to Run... on rollerskates!

all the crap u defend and u don't like born to run...weird

it'd be weird if i like something that's a poor "born to run" (like, i dunno, spring awakening? i don't pay attention to broadway scores), otherwise it's just taste. I like plenty of grandiose crap, just not the Fonz Meets Dylan On The Great White Way kind.

I'm a Springsteen hater for the most part, but I do love the audacity of this song.

I'd say closer to Rebel Without a Cause than Fonz, but yeah point taken. Springsteen's tunes tend to have a very cinematic, dramatic quality & if that's not your bag you'll tend to find much of his material [particularly E. St. Shuffle and Born to Run LPs] irritating.

yeah i love born in the usa and tunnel of love, consider synth-pop to be a positive influence on the guy

I also like how Wild, Innocent and BTR influenced Thin Lizzy.

"Thunder Road" is prob one of my top 5 songs of all time and I would quite happily listen to nothing else for the rest of my life. Esp the line where he goes "...and you're scared and you're thinking that maybe we ain't that young anymore". Cuts as deep as anything in rock.

I agree with the original poster every time I hear the record. then when you see him live (like at Glastonbury last year) you forget all that and get into that "gotta love the boss" stuff. you can't hate him.

Can't imagine my life without this stuff. Honest question: has anyone here seen him live and still come away unconvinced?

i didn't actually enjoy him live that much because it was in a stadium and the sound was awful. Also turning every song into a 10 minute jam isn't really my thing; unless you're playing music such as free jazz or free improv don't jam is my ethos really. Still think he's amazing and seeing songs like Thunder Road live was a treat.

Huh. Springsteen hasn't really "jammed" since the early '70s. Do you mean vamp while he does his preacher shit? Yeah, that can be tedious. But this man is not about aimless noodling.

One cool thing about "Thunder Road" that I don't usually appreciate but do tonight is how zingy the lyric is---the messianic vibe is there but he's simultaneously saying that it's bullshit.

I'm really embarrassed to admit this but I was never sure what the second line means. I'm guessing "suicide machines" are motorcycles (or maybe beat-up old cars) but why would they be riding through mansions of glory on them? Is he using a bit of licence with "through" here, just saying that at night, they like to drive around rich neighbourhoods (near many of these mansions) and dream of escaping their own less-rich existence? That was what I always assumed but it never seemed clear to me. Or is it something more abstract than this? I suppose "suicide machines" could also be a reference to rides at the amusement park that he mentions later - this seems silly though. Everything else in the song makes perfect sense and is almost embarrassingly moving to me.

I just figured suicide machines were dangerous cars built to look good but that ran like shit. Like, riding in these cars is akin to committing suicide.

I remember when this song was first a hit on FM radio. The discussion we are having now is eerily akin to the men (NOTE: I'm pretty sure the women left this thread a few years ago) were sitting around in 1975 discussing whether 'When The Swallows Come Back To Capistrano" by The Ink Spots (big hit, 1940) was overproduced glop. "...and you're scared and you're thinking that maybe we ain't that young anymore" xp Hi Anagram!

He laid down some serious improvised Neil Young-ish guitar thundah on the intros to 'Because the Night' and 'Prove It All Night' as late as '78, but it was definitely the early band with Lopez & Sancious that was into the jamming.

One of those situations where da croupier's complaints make perfect sense and I still love this stuff to death-- I can see why some wouldn't like it.

I really see nothing wrong with the overproduction. Wire and Bruce can coexist pretty peacefully, I think.

The hugeness of it, all that emotion and abandon, that's what I love. I get that it sound overdone or bombastic or, I dunno, cliched or whatever, but dammit, it's a fun song. This song to me is like flying down the freeway & sticking my face out of the car window like a kid. It feels good.

At what point does epic drama cross the line into bombast? Is opera bombastic? I would say that although successive live versions of "Born To Run" have crossed that line, the album version stays resolutely on the right side of it. As for "Thunder Road", to me that is as bombastic as Debussy.