actually i do know some kiss fans. but still.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Saturday, 29 October 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
The Clash and The Misfits are classic rock?
― Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 30 October 2011 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
it's called classic rock because it's rock that's classic, duh.
especially when it's also hip-hop.
― sunn :o))) (Merdeyeux), Sunday, 30 October 2011 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
The Clash is definitely, definitely classic rock, but we called it "new wave" back then.
― rustic italian flatbread, Sunday, 30 October 2011 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
are all those bands on the poster Rock N Roll Hall Of Fame honorees except Foghat?
― blank, Sunday, 30 October 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
ah and misfits. also not sure about humble pie or canned heat.
― blank, Sunday, 30 October 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
foghat isn't in the rock-n-roll hall of fame?
http://www.nextmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/jim-carrey-hippie-mtv-movie-awards-220.jpg
WHAT THE F--K?
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 30 October 2011 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
Damn, is that what chuck eddy looks like?
― rustic italian flatbread, Sunday, 30 October 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
Still not dead! Thanks Michael Des Barres!
http://www.thewrap.com/music/blog-post/rock-and-roll-not-energy-drink-or-kardashian-55631
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 17:51 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.thewrap.com/music/sites/default/files/imagecache/image_640x150/banner/DesBarres.hollyblog.jpg
Boys and girls smoked grass and hashish, dropped acid, experimented with each other’s bodies, read Arthur Rimbaud, Lord Byron, Aldous Huxley, William Burroughs, Henry Miller and Krishnamurti.
― ask morbs if he is better off than he was 4 days ago (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 17:54 (eleven years ago) link
"Me, I just got wasted, dude."
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 17:56 (eleven years ago) link
>Let’s move to the unprocessed and unaltered spontaneity of authenticity.
This sentence makes me want to pluck out my eyes with salad tongs.
― Regional Tug (irrational), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 18:02 (eleven years ago) link
Your eyes or his?
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
Mine for having read it.
― Regional Tug (irrational), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 18:13 (eleven years ago) link
BRING ROCK BACK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kupMnltNcf8
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
read Arthur Rimbaud, Lord Byron, Aldous Huxley, William Burroughs, Henry Miller and Krishnamurti.
Rockers were reading dudes, huh?
― OK CLARABELLE PART 3: The Return of the MOO! (how's life), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
I was holding it together okay until he referenced CHEETOS.
― Clarke B., Tuesday, 11 September 2012 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
Whenever this thread is revived, my first thought is 'lol W@gem@nn's back'
― D. Boon Pickens (WmC), Saturday, October 29, 2011 3:22 PM (10 months ago)
― Irwin Dante's Towering Inferno (WmC), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
dropping acid will make you like henry miller, dropping ecstacy will make you like spiderman. got it.
― OK CLARABELLE PART 3: The Return of the MOO! (how's life), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
Being lectured on RAWK by a guy whose biggest accomplishment was marrying Miss Pamela of "I'm With The Band" fame? Yeah, I don't think so.
― Atomow dhe Kres? MY A VYNN, mar pleg! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
Men suddenly had bangs.
So where does that put you, Mr. DesBarres?
― OK CLARABELLE PART 3: The Return of the MOO! (how's life), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tcexWRFTp0
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
In the beginning God gave us musicians and vocalists - then came vocorders, harmonizers and mellotrons, which begat click tracks, drum machines, and sampling, which begat auto-tune and quantizing. Today, a degree in programming and Internet marketing trumps the God-given talent that is music. I hunger for the days of VOX amps with frayed cabinets and sweat stained Stratocasters. You were part of the dream back then Michael, and I am so grateful that your return is clothed in the cape of rock glory. That's all the bling you need. Rock on brother. Carnaby Street is an amazing work
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
Yes, the Marquis has little need for bling.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
Take me to your vocorder.
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
Old boring white man, please ignore.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
We're back! Kinda?
http://thequietus.com/articles/22389-rockism-poptimism
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 11 May 2017 16:47 (seven years ago) link
https://www.funpic.us/funny/were_trapped-1522/
― mark s, Thursday, 11 May 2017 16:49 (seven years ago) link
https://media.tenor.co/images/044f83a239b94e5a4e0c527118f65434/tenor.gif
― mark s, Thursday, 11 May 2017 16:50 (seven years ago) link
lol tim
y'd u do it bud
y'd u quote ilx in the comment section
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Thursday, 11 May 2017 16:57 (seven years ago) link
I read that article because I love Ned.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:01 (seven years ago) link
Nedism is an obscure belief but I'll allow it.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:04 (seven years ago) link
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_msHZhK8UVUE/SqFIbpYCqqI/AAAAAAAAAlA/9jYs743ngEE/s1600-h/ned.jpg
― mark s, Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:08 (seven years ago) link
o ffs
― mark s, Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:09 (seven years ago) link
i hate everyone
^^^ sadist
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:11 (seven years ago) link
So THAT'S what poptimism is. I had always read the term around here, but every time I asked what it meant I got mocked. #TheMoreYouKnow
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:12 (seven years ago) link
this article is a) simultaneously long and under-developed on every point b) entirely built on its own preconception, which is that pop music is, by default, bad and that anyone who likes or analyzes it must be cynical or lying c) part of the reason I never, ever trust anyone who compliments my work, given how the first half is a rundown of how shit various takes are that ends with "but I commission them anyway." I'm sure the writers of those takes heard how great their pieces were
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:12 (seven years ago) link
^^^ this. My conclusion after reading it, "He's lying or he's one cynical guy or he hated having to publish all those Dylan pieces once upon a long ago."
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:16 (seven years ago) link
like, we all know writers are sometimes commissioned because they're monetizable and are told they're good in order to keep the monetization going, but it's very demoralizing to hear someone cop to it
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:16 (seven years ago) link
s/sometimes/always, I mean, *any* commission is done for monetization but ideally the recipe has at least a dash of "and we think these are good, useful thoughts"
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:17 (seven years ago) link
woke snrub: force for good y/n
― mark s, Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:18 (seven years ago) link
Poptimism has its own sacred cows, which are beyond challenge:
*The solo release by the member of a manufactured group is no longer the sad addendum to the imperial years; it is a profound statement of artistic integrity.
*The surprise release by the big-name act is in itself, a revolutionary act.
*To not care about Taylor Swift or Beyoncé or Lady Gaga or Zayn Malik is in itself questionable. It reveals not your taste in music, but your prejudices. In the worst-case scenario, you may be revealing your unconscious racism and sexism. At best, you're trolling.
*Commercial success, in and of itself, should be taken as at least one of the markers of quality. After all, 50m Elvis fans can't be wrong.
this is heinously, grotesquely wrong – it's like a Lincoln critic reducing the Gettysburg Address to, "We're so grateful you fucking turncoats are dead."
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:20 (seven years ago) link
i haven't read the piece and don't plan to, but the guardian is a super-fucked up paper in terms of its judgments what to commission and whatnot -- can easily imagine its down-tier editors come out badly jaded and disorientated, given the pressures on them from above
― mark s, Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:20 (seven years ago) link
lol my first post in this thread was 17 years ago, let me resist the urge to read that also
― mark s, Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:22 (seven years ago) link
when i'm puffin mad ism and rockin out to a sick uriah heep jam
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:33 (seven years ago) link
I don't see a thing wrong with this piece, and this--
"Most people aren't rockists or poptimists; they just listen to music, and they like it or they don't"
--is obvious. The illusory divide between so-called rockists and poptimists reminds me of that episode of The Simpsons where Lisa defiantly shows up for football tryouts and says “That’s right! A girl wants to play football. How about that?” to which coach Flanders says “Well, that’s super-duper, Lisa! Heck, we already have four girls on the team!”
Aside from the increasingly sad and tragic person parodied in things like this, my feeling is that the rockist boogieman doesn't actually exist, at least not in any capacity that might in any way threaten the pop / hip-hop / r&b hegemony.
If there's anything that rankles me about the modern pop critic, it's a total lack of discrimination: pop always good, earnest dudes with guitars always bad. But, really, who cares what the "modern pop critic" thinks, anyway?
― Wimmels, Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:34 (seven years ago) link
I don't mean to pick on the Guardian, it's a large swath, very possibly all, of music publications.
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:35 (seven years ago) link
xp: I would consider myself a modern pop critic, I do not like everything, and since all this goes on in public you can verify that easily.
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:37 (seven years ago) link