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don't think so really, i only ever have one point, loosely...xpost

you and i are arguing two different points

you arent really arguing anything, yr just posting abt how lame you are

protip for stuff on 100% silk, it sounds great stoned, the end

and everyone's happy!

you arent really arguing anything, yr just posting abt how lame you are

hey, nice, oersonal attacks! that's great, super productive

i think i'm going to retire from ILM again

what do you expect if you drop in to tell everyone how authentically house you are? do you ever remember ilm to not oppose that kind of thing?

The extent to which this stuff is a "return" to late 80s house can be overstated if only because house has been returning to its roots since, well, its roots.

e.g. the Magic Touch single sounds more like early Pepe Bradock to me than any first wave Chicago (and arguably more like second wave Chicago than first wave as well).

These are relatively fine distinctions because Bradock was influenced by Chicago as well - but this is my point.

I would agree that Strictly Rhythm and Nu Groove are very much remembered and celebrated, though this maybe was less true seven years ago say. That Strictly Rhythm comp of early stuff compiled by Tiefschwarz a few years ago was (a) great and (b) indicative of how centrally that music is ensconced in house's aural tradition at this point.

In terms of my specific listening, many lo-fi records like Ital or Gillette actually sound fresh to my ears after years of minimal, electrohouse and microhouse software precision.

I get this might have just been a personal statement, but if applied generally this is another one of those ideas that sounds spot on until you actually think about the last ten years of dance music. There has not been a single moment during that period when people weren't celebrating some refreshing return to lo-fi house... the fact that stuff like Abe Duque or "The Sun Can't Compare" were somewhat better produced than most 100% Silk material isn't really enough to make the latter's production values worth celebrating in and of themselves - or at least not as some kind of point of contradistinction.

(reminds me of the one time I thought nabisco was well and truly off the money, when he was celebrating the return of rock in 2001 as being the return of rock bands making music together in a room with a minimal amount of studio finnicking - as if this had ever, ever, ever stopped previously)

Actually mid-00s DJ Hell possibly could pass as 100% Silk material given how hissy it all was.

I say this not to run down 100% Silk, more that I can get frustrated at the sweeping claims made about "the state of dance music today" both by the sceptics and the enthusiasts.

We should keep in the front of our minds that basically any combination of revivalist impulses that can be propagated has been propagated. What changes are the precise constellations of sounds X scenes X contexts.

NB. I love early Pepe Bradock so have absolutely zero issues with the Magic Touch single!

There has not been a single moment during that period when people weren't celebrating some refreshing return to lo-fi house

Sure, but I think there's a combination of factors at work with 100% Silk, beyond the playfulness and conceptual stuff I mentioned before, there's also the relationship with recently obsolete analogue formats like cassette or Ariel Pink style lo-fi places this in a distinctly different trajectory ("analogue is the new new media, etc.").

It also feels fastand cheap production-wise, which is refreshing to me. Even someone like Ital was using just Audacity for recording, if you wanted to get technical.

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Yeah I get that... but at the point that any actually evident sonic link to Ariel Pink et. al. becomes indiscernible in the music (which IMO has already occured with this stuff), what bearing does all that have beyond giving a nice angle for critics to muse on in the first paragraph of a review?

even late pepe actually sounds kinda like some of this stuff. that amazing manuel tur remix for instance.

though i thought the maria minerva sounded like grouper. i'm inclined to agree with dan s, if it lets some more people through a door into house then great. there's far too much criticism of artists that create the environment for influences that are perceived as "wrong" to come into house music.

some of the music posted here feels a bit like the artist is purposely trying to make a "wrong" version of house as is and ever shall be.

at least, given it's impossible they haven't actually heard house. it's like they're trying to feign some 80s far flung interpretation in a place where you had only a limited access to whatever records.

I mean, my point is, how much are celebrants and detractors alike over-focusing on the pedigree of the artists and the audience rather than thinking about what other dance music the result actually sounds like?

Maybe the issue here is that I have cloth ears and would never be able to tell the difference between the different software people have used in creating the music.

at least, given it's impossible they haven't actually heard house. it's like they're trying to feign some 80s far flung interpretation in a place where you had only a limited access to whatever records.

this feels like a super spot-on evocation of the vibe of this material I think.

i think it's worth noting it's not really like lo-fi v precision here, it's more garishness and cheapness. but it's like they're going for a garishness and cheapness that unlike say, justice or whatever, is accidental and imprisons the "soulfulness" or whatever in this knocked off deep house...

it's all pretty interesting, don't really see myself listening to a lot of the music but the idea of people imposing restrictions on themselves to enforce a cheap aesthetic, but one that is actually inauthentic rather than authentic, is kind of cool.

shame about the music lol (nb only listened to two tracks, maria minerva was actually good)

Lonely guy just reading thread, thinking baout '90s house+noise

shame about the music lol

Basically sums it up.

Any time there's a group of artists or a label that is releasing music that sounds like a past genre or period this is the dialogue, isn't it? I think it's counterproductive to go "pssh, whatever" and dismiss anything wholesale or lament about the lack of historical knowledge because this isn't a one-time event, it's the way of things.

It's always the same pattern: some of these artists are just working a style, some view it as a homage. Some will make it their own thing and possibly become popular, with only tenuous hooks to the past sound, while others will fade away. Many listeners won't know the difference, or will possibly pick up a compilation of historical material and go no further. Some will learn about the new music, only to later decry it and latch on to the "authenticity" of 90s house and sneer at their peers who "don't know any better."

I've played a lot of roles in this story.

Society is in the gutter, a man used to be able to dig out a Gang of Four LP and these days these LCD Soundsystem imitators sell out some outdoor theater and still quit.

I would agree that Strictly Rhythm and Nu Groove are very much remembered and celebrated, though this maybe was less true seven years ago say. That Strictly Rhythm comp of early stuff compiled by Tiefschwarz a few years ago was (a) great and (b) indicative of how centrally that music is ensconced in house's aural tradition at this point.

never heard of nu groove but yeah i don't think strictly rhythm has a problem with being known - moreso seven years ago when house/edm in general was a bit less fractured/flash-in-the-pan/internetmakingthingsquicklike (and we were actually closer to the 90s). weird to see some german guys listed as a qualifier for a label i consider so strongly "american" i guess - although that sense doesn't really extend past the fact that along with nervous i grew up on their stuff (and _i'm_ american wow!), and that they're chock-ful of black/latin/gay influences in a way i don't usually frame in the context of other countries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtsbyUk0riY

That tiefschwarz are German is the whole point though.

that magic touch made me think of this kinda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DER9Yh8myU0

except not as good

i guess they're not that similar on second listen, drums are way diff, but i wanted an excuse to post a hot jam

lamp is like the anti-whiney in these threads

nb although this might sound like a compliment its not per se

shame about the music lol

This is U&K, can't be requoted enough. The VHS-lines revivalism of some of the 100% Silk videos probably makes 10 people happy but ultimately dance music lives or dies on whether people want to dance to it. I'll rep strong for some of this music (I love the Ital 12) but I certainly get where geeta is coming from re "queasy".

I didn't mean to denigrate that take on it, either. It's as valid as any, and if you love the stuff being ripped/made homage then it's a little bit heartbreaking.

i guess what it comes down to is this idea of exclusivity is something that bothers you or not ... people itt are treating it like 'hey its legit, they just want their own niche / private scene' & its like, ok, and when the press celebrates that scene just for being so different & cool are we supposed to not pretend its an exercise in elitism & journalistic laziness etc

http://www.mixmag.net/scene-selection-100-silk

mixmag... unsound festival... does not compute

(from a central US perspective, whenever mixmag was available as a import magazine, it was best described as "titties and E" as by a friend in college)

Interview not doing any favors IMO. Cringed multiple times.

House, What is house?

Technotronic, KLF, Or something you live in?

To me, House is Phuture,
Pierre, Fingers, Adonis etc

The pioneers of the hypnotic groove, Brian Eno, Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk, Depeche Mode and the yellow magic orchestra.

This album is dedicated to you.

House.

In the future, We hope our music will bring everyone a little closer together,
Gay, Straight, Black or white, Hipster, Blogger, One nation under a groove.

(I never got Depeche Mode's props here. I "get" it, but I think New Order would've been more appropriate.)

I don't think NO had the impact of DM in the US? Well, not at that time, idk

Weren't Depeche Mode supposed to be a big influence on Detroit Techno (moreso than New Order)? Granted the topic is "house" but LFO were clearly more detroit than chicago anyway.

NO didn't have the commercial success of DM, but I'd think more influence in the clubs.

I remember reading that Depeche Mode's "one finger" synth patterns fed into detroit techno quite significantly, but it was so long ago that I can't say for sure.

also, why are all of these people still mining mid-'80s chicago house, when they could be mining the extraordinarily rich vein of '90s house?

is it because soul jazz hasn't yet done a reissue of strictly rhythm or nu groove, the way they did with trax?

Not to be pedantic, but influences and inspirations, along with general comments about the YouTubidification of dance music and a plea for 'earnest comments' are easily available on the 100% Silk blogspot account: Ital 2 or Maria Mineva.

Stuff like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded

But maybe the question is about how this is reflected in the music, and the settings that it's produced, played out and experienced: 'the scene'. Nevertheless, I still feel that there are interesting reflections and negotiations with internet-based encounters with music, and the maintenance of cultural production in these conditions with these guys.

Chris & Cosey make an appearance in this thread yet? Lots of this stuff sounds like them.

Maybe this would help (influences):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=O53-C8fMXhI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LDS7boNwtKk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tGv8y2u_XU0

soooo i'm in pdx this weekend. anywhere i can pick up some of these 12"s? how about cl1nton street mus1c? that guy played me a purple & green track last year...

how are miracles club djing? i wanna check em out on thursday maybe, depends on how late we get in there. any one have any other recommendations for like record stores or something, i know this aint a portland thread but i hope it makes sense that im asking here.