― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Friday, 8 November 2002 00:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sean (Sean), Friday, 8 November 2002 00:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Honda (Honda), Friday, 8 November 2002 00:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 November 2002 00:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
Wouldn't it be fun if this happened in society, too?
― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Friday, 8 November 2002 00:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 November 2002 01:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― bob zemko (bob), Friday, 8 November 2002 01:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
― bob zemko (bob), Friday, 8 November 2002 01:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
Tom, why does it always have to be either/or? Why do you have to make pop what you accuse the supposed "other side" of being?
Why can't it just be why you like this particular records? Your praise would ring truer without that defensive note.
― jack cole (jackcole), Friday, 8 November 2002 01:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
It's not about anyone else, though I do think it'll affect other people on ILM similarly (some will hate it/think it boring etc.)
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 November 2002 01:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 November 2002 01:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― bob zemko (bob), Friday, 8 November 2002 01:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
― bob zemko (bob), Friday, 8 November 2002 01:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jack cole (jackcole), Friday, 8 November 2002 03:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 8 November 2002 03:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 8 November 2002 07:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 November 2002 09:13 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 8 November 2002 12:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― nathalie (nathalie), Friday, 8 November 2002 12:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 November 2002 12:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
Now, if I can only get all of ILM to agree that merzbow = pop, I think we can all go home at last. ;)
If Missy's out in France, it must be out here too. I shall get it tomorrow. Or maybe right now! I haven't had lunch yet...
― Jeff W, Friday, 8 November 2002 13:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
I have yet to discover that seminal pan-pipe record, though.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 8 November 2002 13:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
It's not imposing so much as it's something that naturally develops, for me at least.
i.e. if there were two hip-hop records, I'd heard neither, one was described as a great record with incredibly fresh production and new ideas, the other as an old skool tribute to the days when hip-hop rocked the block party, I'd guess I'd like the former more. But liking the latter more is exciting, raises more personal questions.
It's one of the reasons I liked Andrew WK so much, cos I'd got so used to not liking hard rock.
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 November 2002 13:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 8 November 2002 14:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 8 November 2002 14:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
but "Work It" is the first video I've felt the need to tape since I was about 15. I know ILM's heard it all before on this one but, holy fucking fuck. Can't wait to hear the whole record.
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 8 November 2002 15:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 8 November 2002 16:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
― michael wells (michael w.), Friday, 8 November 2002 16:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 November 2002 16:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 November 2002 17:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
Lots of lyrical quotations from and references to old school hip-hop, plus a couple of remember-when tracks; plus a general back-to-basics vibe in Tim's beats
This is closest to how I'm perceiving it first listen, ie the trappings - add the images to the Cd booklet here - give the impression it's more retro than it really is. The beats couldn't come from any time other than 2002 really.
The chatting is great!
― Jeff W (Jeff W), Friday, 8 November 2002 17:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 November 2002 17:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
(track 7)
― Jeff W (Jeff W), Friday, 8 November 2002 17:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 November 2002 17:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
Just spotted this in the Missy Thank You's in the booklet:"MARCELLO - good looking, you're a sweet gal!"
(s)he gets everywhere!
― Jeff W (Jeff W), Friday, 8 November 2002 18:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 November 2002 18:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Yancey (ystrickler), Friday, 8 November 2002 18:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Yancey (ystrickler), Friday, 8 November 2002 18:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 November 2002 18:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
I dislike "Back in the Day" for the same reason. Why is she just telling us over and over that this is ye ole skool when it's already so obvious that it is? Those rhymes just aren't that interesting. The Jay-Z opening is smooth, but it goes on too long with those lines. (I might have that track title wrong)
― Yancey (ystrickler), Friday, 8 November 2002 18:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
is "the legend" wot's under construction? or is it hiphop?
More the latter. But it's the attitude that's the target rather than the music.
The intention is clearly stated in the first bit of chat, but is underlined in the last (at the end of "Can You Hear Me"), which feels spookily pertinent now post the Jam Master Jay shooting.
In summary:Good album. No more than two not-so-great tracks, I'd say. A lot more accessible than ...So Addictive.
― Jeff W (Jeff W), Friday, 8 November 2002 18:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 November 2002 18:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
The "vainglorious"/"The red, the black, and the green, SISSIEEEEEEEEES!" parts of the X-Clan album were great.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 November 2002 19:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 8 November 2002 19:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 8 November 2002 20:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 November 2002 20:13 (twenty-one years ago) link
But I meant that a positive thing!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 November 2002 20:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 November 2002 20:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 November 2002 21:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 November 2002 21:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― boxcubed (boxcubed), Sunday, 10 November 2002 23:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 11 November 2002 00:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
The "exclusives" thing doesn't bug me so much now (I think my initial negative reaction was down to kneejerk rockist tendencies: "hey, that's the tenth time U done that on the album, girl!" Once you start searching individual songs it doesn't nearly matter so much anymore). On the other hand, I've cooled a bit on the narratives, some of which seem unnecessarily defensive (and pre-emptive). Why say "I'm not apologising for this song/record"? Why not just let the songs stand for themselves?
― Jeff W, Monday, 11 November 2002 10:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
i like that.
i love the beyonce one. she rebukes her for being submissive to her controlling boyfriend.
i like the jay-z one.
'slide' is all hard and stuff. twankies. i love that.
'go to the floor' is good. rich people buy boats.
the tlc one is really hecka sad. chhhh. i don't even want to listen to that. i felt too sad to listen to it before the answering machine thing was done. it's just some silly song but it's still super-sad. ;_;
i've only listened to 'meat is murder' all the way through a few times, too. and it's even sillier, maybe. but it's just too much. it's silly but it's intense. actually, it's not that silly. i'm not sure what i mean by 'silly.' both of them are pretty serious, i guess. i don't know.
i don't know.
and the remix with 50 cent is dumb. he sounds dumb and i hate him. she says REEEEEEEEEEEEEEMIIIIIIIIIIIIIXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX forty-five seconds into the song! for gosh sakes, wasn't there a better time before then? i mean, it's almost a minute in. i don't mind people saying REEEEEEMIXXXXXXXX on the remix but this remix sucks and you didn't need to do it forty-five seconds in.
― d k (d k), Monday, 11 November 2002 11:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― zebedee, Monday, 11 November 2002 11:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 11 November 2002 16:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 11 November 2002 17:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 November 2002 18:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
(which i think jigga realizes, since even more hilariously, he clarifies a few lines later: "get it? ice cube."
― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 November 2002 18:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 11 November 2002 20:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
I've only listened to this once, I thought I might be able to keep up buying it on the day of release but, oh no, you're all pretty much done and dusted. What's next, then?
Acrid bitterness aside, I love the block rockin' old school middle act and the photos to go with it, I'm predicting an amusing trend for old school boomboxes to go with your British Knights.
― Mike (mratford), Monday, 11 November 2002 20:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Monday, 11 November 2002 22:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Monday, 11 November 2002 23:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 23:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 01:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 18:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jeff W (Jeff W), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 18:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ben Williams, Wednesday, 13 November 2002 18:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jones (actual), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 19:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 19:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
(the robbie williams review!! "This song reminds me of some Bon Jovi styles. This song is about how Robbie wants to feel real love and he feels there is a hole in his soul. This song is average at best. This song has one verse at most.")
― jones (actual), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 19:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 19:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick H, Wednesday, 13 November 2002 20:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave k, Monday, 30 December 2002 05:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
― d k (d k), Monday, 30 December 2002 05:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave k, Monday, 30 December 2002 11:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave k, Tuesday, 31 December 2002 00:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
"Gosehr?"
"My gizzard!"
"Go sicka izzam!"
"Izzo gizzard?"
"Iz all izight!"
"Iz all izight! Get down, the dee, oh so sewl zee!"
― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 31 December 2002 00:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 31 December 2002 00:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
[long indecipherable bit][indecipherable response]My girl![indecipherable]It's okayIt's alrightIt's okayIt's alright [indecipherable]
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 31 December 2002 00:30 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 18:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
I'd love to know this too. It's not the double dutch bit. It's what the girls on the school bus sync to.
Thanks for the help!
― paulc, Monday, 10 February 2003 02:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― robin (robin), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 02:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― robin (robin), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 02:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
everybody had a zipper jacket and half of these thugs had a glove to match
― Darryl Strawberry (The Reverend), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 14:37 (fifteen years ago) link
underrated: missy's doowop harmonies during luda's verse on "gossip folks"
― Darryl Strawberry (The Reverend), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 14:39 (fifteen years ago) link
I <3 this album so mucho mucho
― Darryl Strawberry (The Reverend), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 14:44 (fifteen years ago) link
is it actually missy doing those harmony bits?
― They're a '90s odd couple. And an odds-on choice for laughs. (blueski), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 14:46 (fifteen years ago) link
half a decade on (!) i think i love 'gossip folks' even more than 'work it'. she sounds like a car screeching on tarmac and it is awesome.
ALSO this was otm:
(Haha I have now put the Trina album on and it's sounding JUST AS GOOD! So I think a) both are grebt; b) I am tipsy and happy and should go to bed for real instead of listening to my new CDs...)
― Tom (Groke), Friday, November 8, 2002 1:04 AM (5 years ago)
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 14:55 (fifteen years ago) link
sounds like her voice xp
― Darryl Strawberry (The Reverend), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 15:18 (fifteen years ago) link
half a decade of fremme neppa vennette
― Darryl Strawberry (The Reverend), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 15:19 (fifteen years ago) link
"If you need me on the phone to curse out the hoes/ I'M READY!"
― Darryl Strawberry (The Reverend), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 15:25 (fifteen years ago) link
MISSY: Don't let him blow your high, go out and have a nice time. Is you sure about that?
BEYONCE: Girl, I do not get high!
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 15:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Pussy don't fail me now.....
― After The Hurricane (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 16:45 (fifteen years ago) link
(love this album, my 2nd or 3rd fave Missy album)
The bit about the beginning about how you never see Bill Gates and Donald Trump arguing with one another hasn't really aged well, has it?
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 16:05 (four years ago) link
P much every rap reference to Trump from 1985-2014 indicates how the braggadocious can be rooked by the bullshit of a bigger braggart.
― donald failson (sic), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 16:40 (four years ago) link
Lol I put on Under Construction for the first time in years and had the same reaction as Matt above.
― Tim F, Friday, 22 October 2021 03:38 (two years ago) link