weird I've never even heard of any of the last four
Funny the gaps in what people know. I suspect you're more familiar with jazz than I am, so this surprises me, but I know I've surprised people with some of the things I don't know.
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:11 (twelve years ago) link
eh there's a ton of jazz stuff I've never heard. prior to the internet collecting this shit was a ton of work/$$$
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:12 (twelve years ago) link
54 Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage (1965) 1200 Points, 12 voteshttp://minoltamania.com/Herbie%20Hancock_Maiden%20Voyage.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/7huPJTTsWVt854oZkr88mf
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:25 (twelve years ago) link
shakey I'm sure you know this album
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I know that one. never owned a copy tho
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
lovely record. george coleman doesn't get enough credit, he's great on everything i've heard. though on that elvis costello TV show, herbie praised him, and you could hear like one guy in the audience burst into applause.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:34 (twelve years ago) link
53 Thelonious Monk - Straight No Chaser (1967) 1201 Points, 12 voteshttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51k0WjwbwIL._SS400_.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/1BHwJqnHhuIryphXMZ0PMQ
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
why did Monk get such awful covers...? seems so unfair
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
there's that one, and the one with the kiddie wagon. just.... why
52 Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil (1964) 1207 Points, 11 voteshttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yrIbhNHgFFs/TcwBt22sHdI/AAAAAAAAAOU/xcshO2zJV-c/s1600/COVER.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/27Rl7A8jXEQOkIfUKOa6ZU
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
Hope Night Dreamer makes it. Never was much of a Hubbard fan, definitely prefer Lee Morgan.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
51 Lonnie Liston Smith - Expansions (1974) 1216 Points, 10 voteshttp://www.soulstrut.com/images/uploads/reviews/B000005MLY.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/6gTHTc1DucAt6we7SLRDog
― Garu G Presents Nan Cat (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
Oh come on, the vocal mantra lasts for maybe a minute, and it's hardly the thing that makes the album great. Sure, A Love Supreme has unnecessarily eclipsed all the other great Coltrane albums, but that happens to a lot of artists (it's the same with Kind of Blue for Miles, Ah Um for Mingus, Time Out for Dave Brubeck, etc). On the other hand, with artists like Coltrane who have such a large and sprawling discography, it might be good a thing there is a canonical album for newbies to start with, especially since it's a great album that exemplifies well what was great about Coltrane. With artists like Sun Ra who've released dozens of albums but none of them is the canonical one, the newbie might be kinda lost at where to start. (This is certainly one reasons I've never really delved into his music.)
― Tuomas, Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:43 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
fwiw this is bullshit -- kind of blue for example actually has a case for being the best Miles album, a love supreme isnt even close to being the best trane record
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
also i love that lonnie liston smith album but its yet another example of a pop record beating jazz ones
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
POPISM RULES
like, that record beating 'moanin' is nonsense
great album though!
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
it wouldn't have if you had voted deej!
that donald byrd 'off to the races' is weirdly high. anyone want to talk about it? i havent heard it but my experience w/ mid-60s byrd is that hes a fairly average trumpet player
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
had no idea the good doctor was so popular tbh
kind of blue for example actually has a case for being the best Miles album, a love supreme isnt even close to being the best trane record
I don't get this frankly. the received wisdom/critical consensus re: Miles is correct, but the received wisdom/critical consensus re: Trane is wrong...? Seems to me like Love Supreme is ALWAYS cited as his key work, as the best entry point into his catalog. (note: it is not my favorite record of his, that would be Blue Trane)
xp
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
, a love supreme isnt even close to being the best trane record
I get the feeling a lot of people will disagree with you there.. dunno why.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
guys he said it isn't even close to his best, didn't you read
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
maybe in rock critic books but the jazz canon usually puts 'a love supreme' down as one of his lesser albums from the era that got considerably more attention from folks outside of the jazz world
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
I'm reserving judgment on these other Byrd albums placing until I see where A New Perspective ranks
btw I had to take a break from all the exclusive-jazz-listening I've been doing over the past few days. moving onto Dio at the moment.
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
Dio should have recorded with Miles & McLaughlin
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
but the jazz canon usually puts 'a love supreme' down as one of his lesser albums
think Stanley Crouch would beg to differ, among others
(I hate Stanley Crouch btw)
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
A Love Supreme is the only Coltrane album to get a "crown" in the 8th edition of the Penguin guide fwiw. And those dudes are pretty hostile to a lot of the spiritual jazz stuff.
― rob, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
THERE'S NO CASE TO BE MADE
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
ok on with the top 50. I guess I better not ask a mod to change the title...
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
50 John Coltrane - Olé Coltrane (1961) 1225 Points, 11 voteshttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hLY9DmXXlH4/TA0n5D6fr4I/AAAAAAAAB38/31j4hsyBwH4/s1600/ole-coltrane.jpghttp://open.spotify.com/album/5BGkenbuo3xY3CRblRPj8K
not a rock critic
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
Olé is fucking beautiful.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
xpwait, sorry, Ascension gets one too, but they really gush over ALS: "it is without precedent or parallel."
― rob, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
rob, and they were right. :)
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
i thought ascension was only liked by free jazz guys and not classic jazz guys?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
Re: A Love Supreme, it's not in my top 5, or even top 10, of Trane records. The actual music isn't dramatically different from Live At Birdland or Crescent, but the concept gives it an air of importance not seen in that way in his work before. For me, it's his Tommy, and like Tommy, it really came together when played live (which supposedly only happened twice, but one of those was recorded and released).
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
linking to jazz critics who like a love supreme isnt telling me anything since im not saying its a bad albumtake one logic class
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
Goat otm
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
jazz critics who like a love supreme
if this is what you got from those posts, maybe you should take one reading comprehension course?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:37 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark
He shoulda been the vocalist in Tony Williams' Lifetime (imagine "One Word" an octave higher).
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
(I think you guys should just ignore him, tbh. Don't feed the special snowflake syndrome.)
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
love supreme is a beautiful record. his best? probably not, but i think the fact that he conceived of it quite consciously as a "major work", a unified whole (not always the case with his records), is why it gets the sometimes overripe praise, at least relative to say Crescent (which i think is just as good).
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
yes, yes, tylerw OTM.
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
also this. did the same thing in the hip hop poll - didn't vote and then bitched about the placings
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
and i dunno, i've never been able to get into the live version of ALS -- it's good, but not amazing like the studio version.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:44 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
I think the line has become blurred over the years. Partly it's because it's Coltrane, and he'll get a pass from more conservative critics before, say, Cecil Taylor does. And partly because, as with Ornette, some Cecil, Charlie Parker, etc. etc., it doesn't seem as radical now as it did then.
Fuck if I know why Freddie Hubbard's on it, though.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
― The Not Liking Radiohead Awards (Turangalila), Thursday, September 1, 2011 12:48 PM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
what are you contributing exactly -- ?
― D-40, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, September 1, 2011 12:49 PM (42 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
of course i can, sorry i didnt see the deadline but better this than 100 posts of someone saying "GREAT ALBUM!!!"
please to show me where this mysterious "jazz canon" you and you alone have access to is interred, and what it has to say about A Love Supreme then
― I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
oh shakey i think it's cool deej is giving his opinions. I just wish he had voted is all. Deej knows his jazz. And like everyone else he has his faves and opinions, and it brings good chat to the thread.
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:52 (twelve years ago) link