― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 10:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 10:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 10:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― Don Allred, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― Allred, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link
I mean, I know they are both *black*, there is certainly no doubt about that.
― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― firstworldman (firstworldman), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link
bad brains (their later allegedly budgie-inspired stuff anyway)black heat - no time to burnjean paul bourellyjimmy castor bunch (early stuff)chambers brothers - the time has comegettovetts headunters - survival of the fittestmother's finesttony williams lifetime - once in a lifetime
― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:23 (nineteen years ago) link
and dr. israel (at least the album where he covers black sabbath)
― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― Don, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:51 (nineteen years ago) link
Shakey is probably referring to Mr. Wonka's screwed and chopped remix of "Rollin" featuring Cowboy Troy, and if so, of course he does have a point. Mr. Wonka's other stuff might fit here as well, actually:
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0415/eddy.php
dickvandyke's post is very funny as well!!
― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:54 (nineteen years ago) link
x-post
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:56 (nineteen years ago) link
as for this pete cosey connection=black acid rock, that's ridiculous. just cos its by a black artist and weird, does not mean its black acid rock.
― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link
Black metal and black punk are not always psychedelic (and even less often funky, as was requested at this thread's ouset), but if you're gonna include that, this list could get REALLY long. I think the band Don is thinking of is God Forbid, who kinda suck. As do that Brooklyn band, Candiria or however you spell it. Xavion were kinda cool though. (Also, um, as anybody mentioned Prince yet? He had moments.)
― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link
I totally agree, but in Cosey's case he *did* play on "Electric Mud", and that record is cited by JasonD up top as an example of what he's lookin for sooooo... (plus Cosey's work with Miles does bear some similarity to early Funkadelic. There's a track on "On the Corner" that even bites the riff from "Super Stupid")
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link
as far as prince's acid rock moments: the cross perhaps?
has anyone mentioned the stand album by sly stone yet? or buddy miles? or chamber brothers (the song time, specifically)?
― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link
"And how is calling Mr. Wonka black acid rock "nonsense," Shakey?? "
I was referring more to the fact that you can't go five minutes on a thread without posting a link to yr magazine. that kind of nonsense. (I've never heard the Mr. Wonka track in question, and based on your tastes, I probably don't want to).
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link
early ike turner/ike and tina turner belongs in this thread too.
― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link
... or mentioning your book, evidently.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link
Weird - My "tastes" include lots of stuff you say you like on this thread, Shakey. And how merely mentioning Mr. Wonka would tell people more than linking to somewhere where I talk about what he sounds like is beyond me. And your pointless Big and Rich namedrop deserved a response. But to each his own.
(I mentioned Mother's Finest upthread to, btw.)
― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:14 (nineteen years ago) link
Shakey: Dickvandyke mentioned my book first; I answered him. Jeez.
― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link
yeah, but your tastes also include lots of shit I wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole. And I think so far the only thing I really professed a liking for on this thread is Prince (tho you might deduce that I am indeed a fan of Funkadelic/Miles Davis/Electric Mud)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― Penis Van Lesbian, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― alpha motherfucker, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Captain Flashback, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― chuck not olga, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Don, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― Don, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― Don, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:11 (nineteen years ago) link
Yeah was just going to say that the interview in the linernotes to Ofege's Try And Love refers to a psych-rock scene they were consciously part of. I find Shirati Jazz's hypnotic percussive melodicism pretty psychedelic after decades of listening to psych. I hope other people hearing it have the same reaction. So hope people get to hear about them.
― Stevolende, Monday, 4 April 2016 20:10 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, and Jerry Garcia said, "Acid music is whatever music you listen to on acid"---really listen to, or try to---and also, once you're relatively clean and sober, whatever music takes you on a trip, which is not so easy a task for rock these days, when so much of it, no matter how "wild," soon fits so tightly into some historical slot---but old and new music from Africa, Latin America, and Asia can still pull my old jaded cratedigger ears into some new views (at least in passing) of glories long faded, and ones I was still totally unfamiliar with, whether I knew that or not. Psychedelic, not nec. "psych." But something with rock appeal, expansive and immersive---not something to fall asleep into--for me, drones can be tricky---but uhhhh, kaleidosopic deep focus, and I'll leave it at that (for now).
― dow, Monday, 4 April 2016 23:09 (eight years ago) link
Also some old and new music from America, Canada, Europe, Middle East can still get me going sometimes--- Rachid Taha's Made In Medina still sounds like a (tuneful) psychedelic blowtorch, for instance.
― dow, Monday, 4 April 2016 23:17 (eight years ago) link
kaleido*scop*ic deep focus, that is---damn, sorry!
― dow, Monday, 4 April 2016 23:20 (eight years ago) link
the current line-up of Death, w 2 out of 3 originals, ain't bad, judging by last year's N.E.W. It's no Death...For The Whole World To See, but what is, nowadays? Not too many new/robustly maintained sources for that kind of sound, however you tag it. Hope to catch them on this tour--from Drag City News, so adjust your hype shades accordingly:
What's harder to accept - that three African-American brothers in mid-70s Detroit channeled proto-punk music in total obscurity and weren't TRULY heard doing so for over thirty years - or that it's been over seven years since we all finally got it with the release of For the Whole World to See? Both spans of time seem interminable, and yet, the freshness of Death's music has sustained them through the years of touring since then, supplemented by two additional archival releases and last year's all-new album (yeah, N.E.W.). The recognition has rolled in waves ever since then, but even YOUR cynical ass (what happened to you?) has got to recognize that the honoring of Death in the official Smithsonian African American History Museum in Washington, DC is pretty fucking amazing!
The museum will display the story of DEATH from their days in as a young band in the '70s and showcase their incredible (-ly unknown at the time) evolution in rock n roll music! On September 24th the opening ceremony features a dedication from President Barack Obama and the First Lady Michelle Obama. And hey - this thing is open to the public, so let's all be there, shall we? The Smithsonian will be celebrating this inaugural event all throughout our nation's capital. The ceremony starts at 9am, so get your rest - the night concludes with a Death performance at The Black Cat!
DEATH doesn't stop there, though - with another date in Philadelphia, a trip Las Vegas AND a European tour on the horizon it's safe to say DEATH are is STILL ready for the Whole World To See...them!DEATH ON TOUR! 8/26 at Psycho Las Vegas in Las Vegas, NV9/24 at Black Cat in Washington, DC9/26 at World Cafe Live in Philadelphia, PA9/29 at Toneladas in Valencia, Spain9/30 at Caracol in Madrid, Spain10/1 at Hyttrao in Athens, Greece10/2 at Moth Club in London, UK10/2 at Lido in Berlin, Germany10/5 at Locomotiv Club in Bologna, Italy10/6 at Marula Cafe in Barcelona, Spain10/7 at Doka in San Sebastian, Spain10/8 at Helldorado in Vitoria, SpainDEATH ONLINE:Drag City- http://www.dragcity.com/artists/death
― dow, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 00:21 (seven years ago) link
Info on artists and events on this site, whether you want the app or not:http://afropunkfest.com/brooklyn/afropunk-fest-app/
― dow, Saturday, 27 August 2016 21:51 (seven years ago) link
Jim Fusilli's AfroPunk '16 coverage still behind the WSJ paywall currently, but here's his playlist:
https://play.spotify.com/user/wsjrock/playlist/6duxTIuzsUwvW9bObbarAe?play=true&utm_source=open.spotify.com&utm_medium=open
― dow, Saturday, 3 September 2016 21:45 (seven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrdVhDyW8AEnjVg.jpg
If can't see it, says:
Burnt Sugar The Arkestra Chamber Plays Ornette, Sunny, Wayne & Sugar
Sept 10 The Bop Stop @The Music Settlement Cleveland OH
A territory band....a society music guild aspiring to the condition of all that is molten, glacial, racial, Spacial, oceanic, mythic, antiphonal, and telepathic.
― dow, Saturday, 3 September 2016 22:01 (seven years ago) link
Warning---more excited Drag City prose a head (these guys are getting a lot closer geographically speaking than I ever thought they would):
DEATH'S CEASE FIRE/TAKE IT BACK SOUTHERN TOUR
Detroit, Michigan's DEATH is living proof that raw talent, ambition and honesty WILL prevail in an ever changing music industry - stick n' poke that to your arm! DEATH was conceived by band leader and guitarist David Hackney (1952-2000) in 1973. Although no one at the time would disagree that the unique Rock-N-Roll sound of DEATH was revolutionary, revolutionary enough in fact to be included in the new African American History Museum at Smithsonian in Washington DC. But you already know this! Since the rediscovery of DEATH in 2009, the band has wisely chosen their tour routes to bring their fun loving, proto-punk-rocking jams to fans of all ages in all places!
Next month DEATH are at it again, this time escaping the frigid winter of Vermont and heading down south for warm temperatures and red hot fandom. The revolution of DEATH is alive and well, and with the release ofN.E.W. still resonating in our brains, who knows what the band will have in store on this trip! This is the first time in a LONG time that DEATH has toured the southeast, so don't miss out!
2/9/17 at Gramps in Miami, FL* 2/10/17 at Local 662 in Tampa, FL*2/11/17 at The Wilbury in Tallahassee, FL* 2/13/17 at Will's Pub in Orlando, FL 2/17/17 at Siberia in New Orleans, LA 2/18/17 at Saturn in Birmingham, AL2/19/17 at Exit/In in Nashville, TN2/20/17 at The Earl in Atlanta, GA
*w/ Jacuzzi Boys
DEATH Online: Drag City-http://www.dragcity.com/artists/deathOfficial Site-http://deathfromdetroit.com/Twitter-https://twitter.com/thedeathbandFacebook- https://www.facebook.com/deathworldwide/?fref=tsInstagram-https://www.instagram.com/deathworldwide/
― dow, Saturday, 14 January 2017 01:56 (seven years ago) link
There's supposed to be a section on African Rock in the latest Vernon Joynson A Melange of Musical Pipedreams and Pandemonium.Has anybody read it and can they tell me how good that section is.I'm looking for a good source o the subject anhd am in 2 minds about buying this,. I have the previous version of this Australia, Commonwealth, Japan, South America etc etc book Dreams, Fantasies and Nightmares from Faraway Lands Revisited so wondering if i need to splurge again.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 2 September 2017 14:58 (six years ago) link
Thanks for the mention of those, well try to check them out. Algiers' debut is a ghost train express in a soul mine (or "post-gospel", as some say); The Underside of Power takes it to a scary-sublime roller coaster.
― dow, Saturday, 2 September 2017 21:53 (six years ago) link
Both are bad trip good trip bad trip good and continuing.
― dow, Saturday, 2 September 2017 21:55 (six years ago) link
So has n obody picked up taht latest Vernon Joynson book. Thought at least somebody here might have. Were dow's comments intended to be on this thread?
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:49 (six years ago) link
Yep. Also digging Araminta by Harriet Tubman: veteran jazz-rock-etc. power trio x trumpet of Wadada Leo Smith, who's more consistently aggressive (or less passive-agressive) than electric Miles, though some of it might be descended from Jack Johnson and/or something else involving Sonny Sharrock, though no keyboards or any instruments beyond those of trio and intermittent guest---they got pedals etc., no need for more. Not sure about some of the fades yet, but some killer tracks like "Nina Simone", with sonic knives all around, as in her dreams (just because you're paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't out to get you). Also they could be part of her armory; she could get pretty militant on concert tapes.Some other tracks here: http://sunnysidezone.com/album/araminta
― dow, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:08 (six years ago) link
Somebody torrented one of teh Harriet Tubman lps a couple of months back. I hadn't come across them before that.
But at the moment I really want to find out about that book before spending €40+ on it.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:29 (six years ago) link
Burnt Sugar The Arkestra Chamber's All You Zombies Dig The Luminosity incl. elements of jazz and hip hop/use of tape effects (in fact the whole thing might be tape, sound quality/ambience/timbre etc not quite the bandcamp usual)m but def black acid rock, in fact it pertains to The Electric Kool=Aid Acid Test's distinction between Leary & co.'s set and setting (preparing mind and its surroundings for thee trip) vs. Merry Pranksters' WHEE HONK HONK HAPPY BIRTHDAY LET'S GO LET GO UH-OH, complete with untrained honking ect. because no matter how carefully you groom, you don't know what's around the next turn, and being a control freak can make it worse---or that's the idea anyway. Not quite the same here, because, as a prodigal Prankster eventually observes on the book, Kesey and his favorites could be like high school golden boys etc,, and this album conveys more of a sense of something precarious, something at stake on both sides. The punk stakes a claim to "My Black Uncertainty", gets equally powerful push-back from "Throw Some Light", cosmic ballads meet guitar skidmarks upside the heart and "Quoth The Raven" and two versions of "Are U Insane?" Not a rhetorical question. Also, what's with put-downs of gentrification if you're from the projects or just can't take upward mobility or even running place for granted anymore, no matter where you're from. Or is that just bullshit rationalization, also(that one gets pushback in the same song). Anyway, science friction etc(zombies can be strength in numbers btw, or that's a suggestion here):https://burntsugarthearkestrachamber.bandcamp.com/album/all-you-zombies-dig-the-luminosity
― dow, Friday, 24 November 2017 03:03 (six years ago) link
"prodigal Prankster observes in the book," I meant. Think it's Sandy who leaves and comes back and sees things this way now, the jocks and the cheerleaders and the geeks and so on (and if you ever catch any of the Pranksters' posted home movies, when they're playing on the beach and cavorting on the bus and so on, can seem just like his take).
― dow, Friday, 24 November 2017 03:10 (six years ago) link
Not that they didn't take things pretty far.
― dow, Friday, 24 November 2017 03:11 (six years ago) link
(that one gets pushback in the same song): maybe not in the words, not all of which I've caught, but the sound, the very electric instrumental activity vs. quiet voice.
― dow, Friday, 24 November 2017 03:24 (six years ago) link
If this link doesn't work, search YouTube for: DEATH--Live in Paris! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DPGADAkT3I
― dow, Thursday, 17 December 2020 01:00 (three years ago) link
dig this: Various – Function Underground: The Black And Brown American Rock Sound 1969-1974. it's on spotify!
stumbled across it while making a lil playlist for myself via "maggot brain" thread.
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 23:28 (six months ago) link
Thank you, budo jeru!!!
― dow, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 03:01 (six months ago) link