Azari & III - Hungry For The Power (and suggest me some similar stuff)

i don't think they were added "officially", more gradually as they contributed more and more

(i asked them this and it's in the i/v recording somewhere but i don't have time to dig out right now)

maybe its not actually true, but that is the version of the truth that i've come across a few times so i would let that one slide, but they have been in the group for the entire gestation period of this album. they are half the band.

yeah that's basically right

idk i just get a jocular "lol gay" vibe from some track titles like "manhooker" & the cover art & promo photos. maybe im just being a overly cynical myself but instead of camp it feels like, "lol camp"

anyway im curious if gr8080 would play any tracks off this record out to a dancefloor & if so (i imagine there are some) which ones would make the regular rotation?

i only really play the tensnake and art dept remixes

i might start fucking w/ Manic (the original)

i would not particularly associate their music with camp tbh.

homosploitation is a great phrase

considering the extent to which gay culture has been mined by the mainstream, it seems a little weird to target a band that is 50% homo for this

I had assumed the two producer guys were gay.

Anyway, I love this album.

plax otm

one of the things that i *like* about this vibe is the homosploitation vibe anyway. it made me realised how many old traxx records have lyrics about, like, girls.

money quote on the issue from one of the producer dudes during my interview: "i'm pretty sure everyone in this room has had sex with a guy."

(then he paused and said something like "and a girl", at which the singers made little protesting noises)

http://i.imgur.com/HpmFc.jpg

lol plax otm re: old traxx records

ha that's great xxp

afraid my homosploitation comment distracted from the main thrust (nh) of what i was saying

please don't say something about real house music

Yeah, it's news to me that the other two guys aren't gay. If there's one problem with this album - and I only have one problem with it - it's that there isn't quite enough of Cedric on it.

I do understand what Deej is saying but it's tedious enough having to suffer the True Kvlt vs. hipster or authentic vs. cynical arguments in black metal and hardcore without having them applied to house music - where the standard response to dance music should be who gives a fuck as long as it's good to dance to and it sounds great. I mean, what would differentiate authentic camp from untruthful camp in the first place?

artificial artifice

please don't say something about real house music

― ℗⎣▲✘ (ico), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:41 (4 minutes ago) Permalink

i didnt. are you reading what im posting at all?

my concern is that the cynicism w/ which they appropriate the past too often on this record (although not exclusively) expects the signifyers of past dance hits to do most of the work, which means they dont worry about songwriting / track construction. its too much of a game of 'remember this 90s house trick??' + frankly a somewhat weird homosploitation vibe for two straight producers (i.e. a track called "manhooker" and a BUILDING IS LIKE A COCK cover art) + general laziness

can i flip this question and ask, what are these guys bringing to the table that old songs dont already have? they dont sound very reverent at all, that i agree with.

― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Wednesday, August 3, 2011 6:19 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark

thread needs moonship journey to baja (nb he could entirely disagree w/ me)

you are the one introducing phrases like camp revivalism and pastiche so

pastiche is a style not a criticism. 'reckless' is pastiche too and i love that song

pas·tiche (p-stsh, pä-)
n.
1. A dramatic, literary, or musical piece openly imitating the previous works of other artists, often with satirical intent.
2. A pasticcio of incongruous parts; a hodgepodge: "In . . . a city of splendid Victorian architecture . . . there is a rather pointless pastiche of Dickensian London down on the waterfront" (Economist).

the choice of pastiche DIRECTLY INVOKES the binary between the real and copy. seriously use words you understand.

by saying pastiche you strongly imply that rather than operating *in the tradition of* a particular genre that they are imitating the signifiers of that genre.

they are doing lol camp pastiches of classic house. i have no idea how i could have read real v fake into that jesus christ let me wipe these spectacles

1. A dramatic, literary, or musical piece openly imitating the previous works of other artists, often with satirical intent.

where does this say anything about real vs. copy? imo this music is openly imitating previous works of other artists

seriously use dictionaries you understand

ok you're an idiot

you seem to have confused things; the problem w/ 'real' vs 'fake' is when someone implies real is inherently better . thats not what im doing here. this is house music made up of lots of different notably 'house'-associated ideas/sounds. that makes it a 'pastiche.' there is no judgement of quality there

im·i·ta·tion (m-tshn)
n.
1. The act or an instance of imitating.
2. Something derived or copied from an original.
3. Music
a. Repetition of a phrase or melody often with variations in key, rhythm, and voice.
b. Repetition of a theme in another voice such that each part con

whats your point

lol l8r

i don't see the camp in azari & III's music.

lol l8r

― ℗⎣▲✘ (ico), Wednesday, August 3, 2011 7:08 PM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol grow up

You've done this whole using words that generally carry negative connotations but insisting you are using them in a neutral way while using them to slag something off routine before.

You've done this whole using words that generally carry negative connotations but insisting you are using them in a neutral way while using them to slag something off routine before.

― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Wednesday, August 3, 2011 7:10 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

is that really what im doing? 'pastiche' never means something positive? im slagging off 'reckless,' a pastiche & one of my 5 favorite songs of last year? cmon rev

all pastiche means is made up of older parts of songs! thats it!

so. you're criticising them. using words that are synonymous with real v fake. but claiming that because those words don't necessarily carry negative connotations (that's true! well done!) that I am misreading you somehow in saying that *those words are synonymous with real v fake.* I will grow up, but i'd rather do it getting ice-cream than having a pointless circular argument with you as words magically empty themselves of meaning as soon as you use them.

so. you're criticising them. using words that are synonymous with real v fake. but claiming that because those words don't necessarily carry negative connotations (that's true! well done!) that I am misreading you somehow in saying that *those words are synonymous with real v fake.* I will grow up, but i'd rather do it getting ice-cream than having a pointless circular argument with you as words magically empty themselves of meaning as soon as you use them.

― ℗⎣▲✘ (ico), Wednesday, August 3, 2011 7:17 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

pastiche is not synonymous with real vs. fake

∞

I'm not criticizing azari for being "fake" when compared to "real" house, which is what youre accusing me of, right? I'm not doing that at all. Its simply untrue. Saying that they make 80s/90s dance pastiche is a simple descrption of what they do.

The value judgement is that on the songs I don't like, they arent good enough songwriters or track constructors to bring these elements together into great songs; theres a sort of wishful thinking that hopefully if you pile enough signifyers together ppl will enjoy it simply as a memory exercise in nostalgia

I'm actually really interested in heating from people who really like this lp what youthink it is that makes it seem fresh.even with the songs I do like, I've had trouble articulating what pushed this ahead of rote revivalism. Theres definitely an irreverence here for one thing

Which is part of where the chromeo comparison came from

I'm actually really interested in heating from people

lol freudian slip

Swypian slip

For me it would have to sound very like one particular band/producer or label from a certain period for it to be a problem. If, say, it sounded exactly like Virgo IV or Inner City then I probably wouldn't like it but it casts a far wider net than that and gives it all a bit of a reboot to boot. The time frame it covers is too wide for it to be pastiche and there's simply something of recombinant brilliance about it for me.

i don't see the camp in azari & III's music.

― jed_, Wednesday, August 3, 2011 7:08 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink