Azari & III - Hungry For The Power (and suggest me some similar stuff)

Which is certainly not something I could say about Chromeo.

what do you mean, cynical? if anything you could accuse it of being too reverent but what's cynical about it? tbh i think you're just giving it a name like "camp revivalism" then criticising it based on the tag you yourself gave it.

http://wac.47f5.edgecastcdn.net/8047F5/jamjar/jamjar/_cracks/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Azari-III-CD-packshot-602x602-sized-217-217.jpg
hmmmm....

Come on! That's an awesome cover. It's slightly camp but in a straight up superb way.

makes me think of the first chromeo record. directionless pastiche w/out the songwriting. aside from reckless, obv, which is still amazing

― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Wednesday, August 3, 2011 5:26 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

where did i say anything about motives or reverence?

i brought up the reverence to counter your accusation of cynicism which i don't understand.

azari's camp-revivalism is too cynical

You can't be cynical without having some kind of ulterior motive in this context.

idk it taps into a strain of revivalism that doesn't really strike me as particularly coy or ironic (the daniel wang school maybe). there was a discussion i think somewhere here about how reckless makes more explicit the AIDS context of early house/boogie that they're drawing on and that seems to say something about the particular approach to appropriation they're taking.

can't really understand not thinking reckless is the best though

oh yeah no one has ever agreed with me about that.

thread got deej'd

uh oh someone's harshing gr8080s good timez

my concern is that the cynicism w/ which they appropriate the past too often on this record (although not exclusively) expects the signifyers of past dance hits to do most of the work, which means they dont worry about songwriting / track construction. its too much of a game of 'remember this 90s house trick??' + frankly a somewhat weird homosploitation vibe for two straight producers (i.e. a track called "manhooker" and a BUILDING IS LIKE A COCK cover art) + general laziness

can i flip this question and ask, what are these guys bringing to the table that old songs dont already have? they dont sound very reverent at all, that i agree with.

i agree with plax, there's a brittle menace to azari & iii that transcends the obvious pastiche. plus a very well-defined aesthetic that isn't just retro at all.

"reckless" probably is the best but "indigo", "undecided" and "manic" run it pretty close

homosploitation vibe for two straight producers

fyi the two gay vocalists are officially part of the group as well, isn't it slightly dodgier politically to overlook their (huge) contributions

i do like "indigo" a fair amount

i'd guess that the two "straight" producers have enjoyed dabbling, too

fyi the two gay vocalists are officially part of the group as well, isn't it slightly dodgier politically to overlook their (huge) contributions

― lex pretend, Wednesday, August 3, 2011 6:20 PM (31 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

im not overlooking them & they were added to the group retroactively iirc?

fyi the two gay vocalists are officially part of the group as well, isn't it slightly dodgier politically to overlook their (huge) contributions

― lex pretend, Wednesday, August 3, 2011 6:20 PM (46 seconds ago)

otm, the vocals are what really sets them apart for me.

they were on the first single and became members shortly afterwards.

i don't think they were added "officially", more gradually as they contributed more and more

(i asked them this and it's in the i/v recording somewhere but i don't have time to dig out right now)

maybe its not actually true, but that is the version of the truth that i've come across a few times so i would let that one slide, but they have been in the group for the entire gestation period of this album. they are half the band.

yeah that's basically right

idk i just get a jocular "lol gay" vibe from some track titles like "manhooker" & the cover art & promo photos. maybe im just being a overly cynical myself but instead of camp it feels like, "lol camp"

anyway im curious if gr8080 would play any tracks off this record out to a dancefloor & if so (i imagine there are some) which ones would make the regular rotation?

i only really play the tensnake and art dept remixes

i might start fucking w/ Manic (the original)

i would not particularly associate their music with camp tbh.

homosploitation is a great phrase

considering the extent to which gay culture has been mined by the mainstream, it seems a little weird to target a band that is 50% homo for this

I had assumed the two producer guys were gay.

Anyway, I love this album.

plax otm

one of the things that i *like* about this vibe is the homosploitation vibe anyway. it made me realised how many old traxx records have lyrics about, like, girls.

money quote on the issue from one of the producer dudes during my interview: "i'm pretty sure everyone in this room has had sex with a guy."

(then he paused and said something like "and a girl", at which the singers made little protesting noises)

http://i.imgur.com/HpmFc.jpg

lol plax otm re: old traxx records

ha that's great xxp

afraid my homosploitation comment distracted from the main thrust (nh) of what i was saying

please don't say something about real house music

Yeah, it's news to me that the other two guys aren't gay. If there's one problem with this album - and I only have one problem with it - it's that there isn't quite enough of Cedric on it.

I do understand what Deej is saying but it's tedious enough having to suffer the True Kvlt vs. hipster or authentic vs. cynical arguments in black metal and hardcore without having them applied to house music - where the standard response to dance music should be who gives a fuck as long as it's good to dance to and it sounds great. I mean, what would differentiate authentic camp from untruthful camp in the first place?

artificial artifice

please don't say something about real house music

― ℗⎣▲✘ (ico), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:41 (4 minutes ago) Permalink

i didnt. are you reading what im posting at all?

my concern is that the cynicism w/ which they appropriate the past too often on this record (although not exclusively) expects the signifyers of past dance hits to do most of the work, which means they dont worry about songwriting / track construction. its too much of a game of 'remember this 90s house trick??' + frankly a somewhat weird homosploitation vibe for two straight producers (i.e. a track called "manhooker" and a BUILDING IS LIKE A COCK cover art) + general laziness

can i flip this question and ask, what are these guys bringing to the table that old songs dont already have? they dont sound very reverent at all, that i agree with.

― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Wednesday, August 3, 2011 6:19 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark

thread needs moonship journey to baja (nb he could entirely disagree w/ me)

you are the one introducing phrases like camp revivalism and pastiche so

pastiche is a style not a criticism. 'reckless' is pastiche too and i love that song

pas·tiche (p-stsh, pä-)
n.
1. A dramatic, literary, or musical piece openly imitating the previous works of other artists, often with satirical intent.
2. A pasticcio of incongruous parts; a hodgepodge: "In . . . a city of splendid Victorian architecture . . . there is a rather pointless pastiche of Dickensian London down on the waterfront" (Economist).

the choice of pastiche DIRECTLY INVOKES the binary between the real and copy. seriously use words you understand.

by saying pastiche you strongly imply that rather than operating *in the tradition of* a particular genre that they are imitating the signifiers of that genre.

they are doing lol camp pastiches of classic house. i have no idea how i could have read real v fake into that jesus christ let me wipe these spectacles

1. A dramatic, literary, or musical piece openly imitating the previous works of other artists, often with satirical intent.

where does this say anything about real vs. copy? imo this music is openly imitating previous works of other artists

seriously use dictionaries you understand