Was/Is Morrissey Racist?

Moz/Noel - equally short period of 'former glory', leaden pub rock backing bands, outspoken troll behaviour

Can't see Morrissey being a Kasabian fan though.

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oh hell no

It does succeed in killing any appetite for flesh far better than his statement on Norway ever could.

ok, you may think he's a cunt, and i always have, but he's a middle-age man, that's what they look like, fuck up.

is that a dung beetle crawling on his right arm?

Yeah, he doesn't even look bad for his age but it's sad to parade around shirtless like he's still in his early 20s. It's NAGL on anybody.

when i am a middle-age rocker you will all feel the disgust of my torso.

You're welcome!

montauk monster, right?

http://s2.jrnl.ie/media/2011/07/PA-11043569-390x285.jpg

more like Kentucky Fried SHIT

I also have no problem with Morrissey's xenophobia but am disgusted at the elderly owning flesh and think they shd be killed

Daavid: If it's not about Norway why didn't he use, say, the Battle of Culloden Moor as a reference point, what with all his sensitivity and shit?

XP: "anyone who takes his political pronouncements -- whether in song or lecture -- seriously is a cretin who needs to get over the love affair with his or herself" I agree with this up until a certain point, which is, no one - no matter how engaged with a lifelong cartographic study of their own interior landscape - gets a free pass to say whatever they want, no matter how offensive. If everyone were to say at all times, 'Oh, well, you know what he's like', in all conceivable situations, life would be fairly unbearable. He is in the process of sabotaging a perfectly valid and useful tool of political protest, I geuninely feel quite justified in calling him a helmet and I think I'd have more of a reason to be upset if I was, say Geir, one of my friends who lived in Oslo or the person who lost a relative who emailed me yesterday. He is in the process of sabotaging 'work' done by several million people in the UK in a much more effective way than Jeremy Clarkson, Kelvin McKenzie or whoever could ever manage and I have every right to be upset about it. This is not a matter of playing into his hands either, any vegetarian - who isn't a lunatic, no offense Jim in Glasgow - should make immediate and relatively noisy attempts to distance themselves from this militant-for-the-sake-of-it-idiot as soon as they can.

Of course, in an ideal world, everyone would ignore what Morrissey says in interviews but seeing as they clearly don't, I too am giving up on this untennable position and making a point of calling him out on his idiocy from now on. It's not like I didn't give him the benefit of the doubt and keep it zipped for nearly three decades.

One of the best things about Moz is that he always polarizes the old folks.

He's becoming less divisive as more people give up on him, though. The more witless trolling he does, the less controversial he becomes.

"the old folks" - I only find this offensive because it makes me think of Peter, Bjorn and John. I have no idea what kind of band Alfred and I would be in but I hope it would be more like Attila.

http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/images/covers/atilla-atilla.jpg

Also, the thing ShariVari says is demonstrably wrong. If you remember, his trolling (if that's what you want to call it) was responsible for him becoming fairly unpopular at one point, with, seemingly, only a sizeable fanbase left among Hispanic Americans, until he was rehabilitated by a very successful and well conducted campaign around You Are The Quarry. Irish Blood, English Heart was needed as a sop to win everyone but the core rump of his fans back in the UK. I get the sense that now a new generation of fans are going off him as well. Which doesn't alter the fact that he's retained his status as an eminently quotable figure. More people in the press should undertake not to quote him.

john your RT of whoever tweeted "there is a twat that never shuts up" made me laugh out loud for about 5 minutes yesterday - it really does sum it up

i'm amazed that morrissey isn't just a total laughing stock, he seems so irrelevant as well

He just hasn't got a clue about the world around him.

I remember when he came on the One Show around the time the recession was kicking in saying something along the lines of "I don't see why people are getting so upset about this. People should be using it as an outlet for their creativity. Rather than getting upset about losing your job, you should paint a picture or make some music or something". What a fucking nit.

He sounds like George Clooney's character from Up In The Air.

XP to Lex: Yeah, that made me giggle a lot. It was actually M the G of ILX. The whole get MorrisseyIsADickhead trending thing was pretty funny until I checked out what some of the hardcore Smiths fans had been saying about the Norway shootings. The most viciously unpleasant things, which seemed to have no basis in anything other than blind Moz worship.

TBF he was just borrowing the lyrics of "Wham Rap!" there. (xp)

^lol yeah not that it isn't dumb as a box of rocks, as a statement, but you do hear it trotted out wrt Jobseekers' Allowance in 80s Britain quite often, and that's probably about the last time Morrissey had any reasonable handle on what was going on outside of his own head

"fuck steady employment" = yeah truth "go out and form a racist indie band" = nah joeks

It's fucking bullshit and a completely irresponsible thing to say on national television. Lost your job? Can't pay the rent? Final notice? Kids need shoes? No problem - paint a picture and sell it. Worked for me. Why don't we all do that? World's problems solved.

but he's right in that jobs are bollocks and the other things sucking doesn't alter that, "fair days pay for a fair days work" is the stupidest capitulation the working class ever tried to pull

We really need to invite a home business motivator to this thread for DG's benefit.

but he's right in that jobs are bollocks and the other things sucking doesn't alter that, "fair days pay for a fair days work" is the stupidest capitulation the working class ever tried to pull

― i'm sorry for whatever (Noodle Vague), Friday, 29 July 2011 12:05 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

Why?

because there is no fair work or fair pay under capitalism

and pissing your one shot at having a life away in an office is demented or purblind idiocy kids rent or no

but i'm sure there are plenty of profiteers who are happy for peeps to keep ruining themselves in the name of pragmatism

difficult to blame even Morrissey for the ills of capitalism TBF

no in this instance i'm siding with him

and pissing your one shot at having a life away in an office is demented or purblind idiocy kids rent or no

you're right -- our parents should have been demented, purblind pop stars instead.

xposts Sure, we should all fuck off our office jobs and live in squats. But tell that to a working class family man who's just lost his life's vocation. Saying "Oh you should get off your arse and do a picture" is just mind-bogglingly hypocritical. And who's going to buy these extraordinary works if everyone follows this sage advice?

i didn't say that Morrissey had a sensible answer - but it is a sensible complaint. anyway, onwards and downwards thru realism.

NV OTM

(caps for emphasis)

Yeah. If only the several billion strong world wide proletariat had Nouvelle Vague's devastating insight into capitalism over the last 100 years we'd now live in a Utopian paradise.

What was my dad thinking working his entire life in a factory for a pittance? He should have held out to become an astronaut.

If anything, Morrissey is revealing that it was the late 70s/early 80s when he was signing on. Probably the only time you could have just about got away with being an artist on the dole. Certainly, this was becoming all but impossible by the mid 90s.

lol that didn't take long.

Morrissey is an idiot. I prefer to listen to Crass for these sorts of insights:

Fuck the politically minded, here's something I want to say,
About the state of nation, the way it treats us today.
At school they give you shit, drop you in the pit,
You try, you try, you try to get out, but you can't because they've fucked you about.
Then you're a prime example of how they must not be,
This is just a sample of what they've done to you and me.

Do they owe us a living?
Of course they do, of course they do.
Owe us a living?
Of course they do, of course they do.
Owe us a living?
OF COURSE THEY FUCKING DO.

Don't want me anymore, cos I threw it on the floor.
Used to call me sweet thing, I'm nobody's plaything,
And now that I am different, you'd love to bust my head,
You'd love to see me cop-out, you'd love to see me dead.

Do they owe us a living?
Of course they do, of course they do.
Owe us a living?
Of course they do, of course they do.
Owe us a living?
OF COURSE THEY FUCKING DO.

The living that is owed to me I'm never going to get,
They've buggered this old world up, up to their necks in debt.
They'd give you a lobotomy for something you ain't done,
They'll make you an epitome of everything that's wrong.

Do they owe us a living?
Of course they do, of course they do.
Owe us a living?
Of course they do, of course they do.
Owe us a living?
OF COURSE THEY FUCKING DO.

Don't take any notice of what the public think,
They're so hyped up with T.V., they just don't want to think.
They'll use you as a target for demands and for advice,
When you don't want to hear it they'll say you're full of vice.

Do they owe us a living?
Of course they do, of course they do.
Owe us a living?
Of course they do, of course they do.
Owe us a living?
OF COURSE THEY FUCKING DO.

more like Kentucky Fried Crass

on another tip... what's the general opinion of M's current band? they seemed woeful on the Glastonbury footage I saw. They were doing a cover of Shoplifters Of The World iirc, which is admittedly a tricky one to pull off. They made a much decenter fist of Everyday Is Like Sunday.

xp lol

Oi Poulet

i like Moz's solo bands better than the Smiths but then i have a barely rational hatred of johnny marrzzzzz nowadays

and Doran, the fact that your dad or my dad worked their lives away in a factory doesn't make them idiots perhaps but it don't make them wrong either. and the continual fucking of the working class relies on our own complaisant pragmatism.

don't make them right either hohoho woops

Stalin was big on the dignity of labour tho iirc. if work was that great then the exploiter class wd keep it to themselves innit?

Agree with John D that being an artist on the dole was a far more possible thing to do in Morrissey’s time. Rents were still low and you could live a pretty decent life (a very different story for families though). If you wanted to get something going musically you could also apply for the Enterprise Allowance Scheme (one of Thatcher’s very few decent ideas and one the present Government would do well to bring back) and get your forty quid a week for equipment and so on.

Yes, we should all be writing and painting and so on instead of breaking our backs or boring ourselves to death for thirty-five hours a week just to get by but that means changing society. Not that I’m against the latter (on the contrary) but changing society means a hell of a lot of hard work.

you're right about the 80s and of course we shd remember Moz is not really a family guy

If anything, Morrissey is revealing that it was the late 70s/early 80s when he was signing on. Probably the only time you could have just about got away with being an artist on the dole.

Don't think it was that difficult in the 60s and (earlier) 70s either... and probably before that too... didn't Quentin Crisp sign on for 40-odd years or somehting?