Ok..I actually didn't listen all the way through before. Did he just say "the final solution" in Manic? Wtf?
― viborg, Monday, 25 July 2011 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
Wow, undecided really develops!
― generous doler out of lollies (forksclovetofu), Monday, 25 July 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
Manic is SO !!!by which i mean chik chik chik not EXCLAMATORYthough it's kinda that too
― generous doler out of lollies (forksclovetofu), Monday, 25 July 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
stoked
― night of the living based gods (flopson), Monday, 25 July 2011 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
LOVE this album.
― Spencer Chow, Monday, 25 July 2011 23:40 (twelve years ago) link
this album is p hokey
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 17:09 (twelve years ago) link
how so?
it's a lot better than i was expecting. actually it's properly good, no caveats.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
makes me think of the first chromeo record. directionless pastiche w/out the songwriting. aside from reckless, obv, which is still amazing
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
obviosuly amazing but still only their 3rd best single imo.
― jed_, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
after what
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
hungry >into the night >reckless.
i have no idea if those are all on the album though.
― jed_, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
They are but no way are any of them touching reckless. "hungry" is exactly what i'm talking about wrt pastiche. And "into the night" works well as an intro track but no way is it as good a song... Its all buildup
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
i've never heard it on the album and so i don't think of it an an intro track. i really love it.
― jed_, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
This album is killer. The comparison to Chromeo is way off mark. It's not some ironic joke for students who wear flat caps.
― Rebekah Brooks Hardsonned My Hamster (Doran), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
really that comparison makes no sense.
― jed_, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
i dont think chromeo was an 'ironic joke' either esp by the 2nd album, but it was str8 revivalism much like this
azari's camp-revivalism is too cynical
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
I guess there's never any way of determining a band's motives unless you're in the band, so fair enough, but I've been to see them live and it was a fucking blast. They obviously put their heart and soul into it, whatever their 'deeper' motivations may or may not be.
― Rebekah Brooks Hardsonned My Hamster (Doran), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 17:58 (twelve years ago) link
Which is certainly not something I could say about Chromeo.
― Rebekah Brooks Hardsonned My Hamster (Doran), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
what do you mean, cynical? if anything you could accuse it of being too reverent but what's cynical about it? tbh i think you're just giving it a name like "camp revivalism" then criticising it based on the tag you yourself gave it.
― jed_, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
http://wac.47f5.edgecastcdn.net/8047F5/jamjar/jamjar/_cracks/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Azari-III-CD-packshot-602x602-sized-217-217.jpghmmmm....
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
Come on! That's an awesome cover. It's slightly camp but in a straight up superb way.
― Rebekah Brooks Hardsonned My Hamster (Doran), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Wednesday, August 3, 2011 5:26 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
where did i say anything about motives or reverence?
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
i brought up the reverence to counter your accusation of cynicism which i don't understand.
― jed_, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
You can't be cynical without having some kind of ulterior motive in this context.
― Rebekah Brooks Hardsonned My Hamster (Doran), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
idk it taps into a strain of revivalism that doesn't really strike me as particularly coy or ironic (the daniel wang school maybe). there was a discussion i think somewhere here about how reckless makes more explicit the AIDS context of early house/boogie that they're drawing on and that seems to say something about the particular approach to appropriation they're taking.
― ℗⎣▲✘ (ico), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
can't really understand not thinking reckless is the best though
― ℗⎣▲✘ (ico), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
oh yeah no one has ever agreed with me about that.
― jed_, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
thread got deej'd
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
uh oh someone's harshing gr8080s good timez
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
my concern is that the cynicism w/ which they appropriate the past too often on this record (although not exclusively) expects the signifyers of past dance hits to do most of the work, which means they dont worry about songwriting / track construction. its too much of a game of 'remember this 90s house trick??' + frankly a somewhat weird homosploitation vibe for two straight producers (i.e. a track called "manhooker" and a BUILDING IS LIKE A COCK cover art) + general laziness
can i flip this question and ask, what are these guys bringing to the table that old songs dont already have? they dont sound very reverent at all, that i agree with.
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
i agree with plax, there's a brittle menace to azari & iii that transcends the obvious pastiche. plus a very well-defined aesthetic that isn't just retro at all.
"reckless" probably is the best but "indigo", "undecided" and "manic" run it pretty close
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
homosploitation vibe for two straight producers
fyi the two gay vocalists are officially part of the group as well, isn't it slightly dodgier politically to overlook their (huge) contributions
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
i do like "indigo" a fair amount
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
i'd guess that the two "straight" producers have enjoyed dabbling, too
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
― lex pretend, Wednesday, August 3, 2011 6:20 PM (31 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
im not overlooking them & they were added to the group retroactively iirc?
― lex pretend, Wednesday, August 3, 2011 6:20 PM (46 seconds ago)
otm, the vocals are what really sets them apart for me.
― ℗⎣▲✘ (ico), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
they were on the first single and became members shortly afterwards.
― ℗⎣▲✘ (ico), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
i don't think they were added "officially", more gradually as they contributed more and more
(i asked them this and it's in the i/v recording somewhere but i don't have time to dig out right now)
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
maybe its not actually true, but that is the version of the truth that i've come across a few times so i would let that one slide, but they have been in the group for the entire gestation period of this album. they are half the band.
― ℗⎣▲✘ (ico), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
yeah that's basically right
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
idk i just get a jocular "lol gay" vibe from some track titles like "manhooker" & the cover art & promo photos. maybe im just being a overly cynical myself but instead of camp it feels like, "lol camp"
anyway im curious if gr8080 would play any tracks off this record out to a dancefloor & if so (i imagine there are some) which ones would make the regular rotation?
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
i only really play the tensnake and art dept remixes
― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
i might start fucking w/ Manic (the original)
i would not particularly associate their music with camp tbh.
― jed_, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
homosploitation is a great phrase
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
considering the extent to which gay culture has been mined by the mainstream, it seems a little weird to target a band that is 50% homo for this
― ℗⎣▲✘ (ico), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
I had assumed the two producer guys were gay.
Anyway, I love this album.
― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
plax otm
one of the things that i *like* about this vibe is the homosploitation vibe anyway. it made me realised how many old traxx records have lyrics about, like, girls.
― ℗⎣▲✘ (ico), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
money quote on the issue from one of the producer dudes during my interview: "i'm pretty sure everyone in this room has had sex with a guy."
(then he paused and said something like "and a girl", at which the singers made little protesting noises)
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:36 (twelve years ago) link