Sleep - "Jersulam"/"Dopesmoker" - C/D?

i always enjoyed listening to it. I have no problem with the length. I'm kinda lazy, so I'm not big on getting up anyway. i was never fanatical enough to buy the later dopesmoker version though. i never cared for the first sleep album. that one bored me, not as good as st. vitus, etc. but, yeah, jerusalem is funny and cool and it is nice and heavy. great riffs. what's not to like? the latest high on fire, i think, is the best thing the dude has ever done. i didn't really like either of the other high on fire albums i had. just sold the first one on ebay with the 45 in it where they cover celtic frost. got all of 5 bucks for it. of course, the new HOF "sounds" great and the first two sounded horrible, so that might have something to do with it.

Speaking of Grief, buyabiznatch would probably like that band. Go for any of the albums on Pessimiser or Theologian, Torso probably first followed by And Man Shall Become the Hunted. That's slowed down drawn out riffing, recorded heavy with a vocalist who sounds like he has a torn throat. It's pretty monolithic and would have a high probability of appealing to fans of Dopesmoker. I listen to Grief way more often than Sleep.

Cheesy's no obstacle to liking lots of forms of metal, or just about any other genre. I find very little entertainment that's actually
cheese free. It's one of the fundamentals, like hydrogen on the periodic table.

I'm a fan of Trouble but my favorite albums are their last two -- Manic Frustration and Plastic Green Head. Right now, PGH is probably my fave. Their version of "The Porpoise Song" kills for incinerating wah'd guitar solo. Heavy psyche influence and Beatles/Monkees/Donovan love in late period Trouble.

Nebula was a highly regarded stoner rock band for awhile. Never was able to capitalize. Spirit Caravan catalog is good early (Jug Fulla Sun), falls apart toward the end. The Obsessed, another earlier Wino band was virtually identical. Hidden Hand is up and down. Did an album with Victor Griffin in Place of Skulls. Man, he does a lot of stuff.

i already bought jerusalem so i ain't picking up dopesmoker unless'n i see it for cheap. but jerusalem's ok, i guess. holy mountain is way better - though i think the genius doesn't really kick in until the second half of the album - as is OM.

and as much as saying things are overrated is overrated, i tend to agree with roger about saint vitus these days. reagers period is best, though the wino era has some killer tunes here and there it's really in essence a compromise between the best of vitus and the best of the obsessed which makes a kind of boring muddle at times.

I would rather heat my liver with drinking.

holy mountain is fucking awesome

fyfuckingi

So, anyone going to ATP: The Fans Strike Back, May 8-10 2009, where the reformed Sleep are playing Holy Mountain and selections from Dopesmoker & more...?

oh shi

I agree with whomever said Om is better above.

Wrong

selections from dopesmoker?

I almost bought St. Vitus last night but was scared away by worries it would sound thin with no bottom end. Do they?

uh... no? i mean, which album?

if it's the s/t it's pretty thick guitar-wise

both sonically and in technique

i feel assured that there are dudes out there that shall never run out of riffs

uh... no? i mean, which album?

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I was looking at the live album (only one the store had) and thinking of the thrash I'm accustomed to that has nothin down there.

haven't heard that one, actually.

the best thing sleep ever did was accompany those white trash kids prowling around their trailer park on their dirt bikes. their albums were tedious, meandering crap that were basically black sabbath remix records

CHALLOPSIN

Drop out of life with the bong in hand
Follow the smoke toward the Challopsian Land
Proceeds the Challopsian, Pantheism F. Mohair

mentalist
x-posts

that doesn't make sense, HOOS. the weed is making him challops?

RMXRMXRMXRMXRMXRMX

its just like

omg did you know early Scott Storch beats sounds just like Dr. Dre

why yes in fact that is exactly why i listen to and enjoy them but thank you for opening my eyes and all doggie

I'm tired of Sabbath songs but want more Sabbath sounds hence Sabbath The Genre aka stoner metal you know?

"Wrong"

I haven't heard Holy Mountain, but Dopesmoker/Jerusalem doesn't quite do it for me. I think Conference of Birds is my favorite thing from the whole Sleep/High on Fire/Om axis.

I'm tired of Sabbath songs but want more Sabbath sounds hence Sabbath The Genre aka stoner metal you know?

I guess, but these guys are a low-rent knockoff. It's not like it is with Beatles, how they paved the way for a much better and much more transcendent band with better music, lyrics, and singing quality-- Oasis.

hahaha

what's so funny

oh man you were serious huh

man this troll can roll

troll?? ME? B-b-but I've contributed so much to the intellectual discourse on this board!

res will you pave the way for a much better and much more transcendent troll with better challops, contrarianism, and zinging quality--?

save your accolades for someone more deserving than this old, washed-up troll. i just hope that in my death, my decomposing flesh will fertilize the soil for the growth of a troll more worthy than me.

btw, is Geir Hongro a troll? He seems to fit squarely within this narrow definition.

Sleep's entire output is great.

I was a fan of Asbestos Death and Sleep Volume I. When Holy Mountain came out, I initially felt like it was a tasteless Sabbath rip-off.

Years later, I've come to realize that Sleep does a lot of things Sabbath never did. Sure there are some very obvious riffs/nods, but it's in tribute. There are all kinds of techniques and directions employed on Holy Mountain that Sabbath never would have touched.

Having said that, I think the first High on Fire record is the best thing any of these guys has ever done.

There are all kinds of techniques and directions employed on Holy Mountain that Sabbath never would have touched.

okay, but only because that one dude was missing his fingertips.

i just hope that in my death, my decomposing flesh will fertilize the soil for the growth of a troll more worthy than me

trying to figure out a joke about dead & euronymous here

$330 APIECE?!

wtf

too rich for my blood

Eh? I paid $50 for mine, you sure you weren't looking at the three day pass?

sigh yeah a tour of the south :(

this says $330 https://greatamericanmusichall.secureboxoffice.com/E/e-2850804/v-2092

that's for 4 tickets?

oh wait nm

yeah but they're all $330 each! fucking ticket sites are such a scam. I should've drilled down my search results more and just gone here, where they are in fact $50: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/sleep-saturday-gamh-w-grayceon-tickets-50364070290#tickets

heyo I have two tickets to see SLEEP at the Great American tonight…. But I am sick ☹
On the off-chance that anyone is in town tonight and wants to see this show (which is sold out), or knows anyone who wants to see this show, plz let me know and I will happily sell my tix! webmail me. Tix were $60 apiece.

guesses on price?

https://thirdmanstore.com/tmr-vault-platinum-subscription-new#

way more than the $20 ticket price for the actual show.

It says $60 right there at the top

assuming they didn't just randomly put out an unannounced ambient album. must be a spotify mistake? good for whoever this is though, going to get some easy plays
https://open.spotify.com/album/6LpGG4iXjC5bj5Z7ZgmEdA

lol yeah, that'd be an unexpected turn for them. hate this sloppiness by spotify so much.

Yeah I got momentarily excited by a new OLD recording popping up and it was a collection of library jazz, but poorly edited minute long tracks.

So new single, big tour, new comic book, but... no Matt Pike. Really hard to imagine Sleep without him.

https://stereogum.com/2502656/sleep-announce-new-lineup-share-first-post-matt-pike-song-and-2026-tour-dates/music

all i wanted was a new OM lp and tour; instead we get weird Sleep... but will hold onto judgements until hear an lp

okay, I did laugh seeing someone say this lineup should be called Nap

lol

also saw someone say "I hear the new guitarist wears shirts :-("

Funny thing is I was served up a full-length Om album on Spotify just the other day which turned out to be A.I. slop, nothing to do with the band.

Bubba Dupree from Void!

I feel like this could be an interesting band but they should have just gotten another name and not called it Sleep

they need money

I feel like this could be an interesting band but they should have just gotten another name and not called it Sleep

As one of the Stereogum commenters said, they could have recruited Wino and called it a new version of Shrinebuilder.