tbh I have never really "gotten" "Go West"
― DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
Se A Vida É is a lovely song and so much better than Before which is a contender for my least favourite single of theirs.
I really don't understand the appeal of Home & Dry, it's the first song in the list I'm pretty disappointed to see place.
― Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
This is worth checkinhg out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M10gkdP6tt4
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
who voted for "It Always Comes As a Surprise"?
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
OK here goes my top 10 prediction and back to work:
10 - King's Cross9 - What Have I Done To Deserve This8 - Left To My Own Devices7 - Love Comes Quickly6 - Rent 5 - Always On My Mind4 - Paninaro3 - Can You Forgive Her?2 - West End Girls1 - Being Boring
― daavid, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
The miners' choir in that vid is breathtaking. xpost
― scotstvo, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
I really like "Se A Vida É", but it would probably come 7th or 8th for me on Bilingual. (x-post)
― LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
New York City Boy is a far superior take on the Go West theme.
― skip, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
^^^^ agreed!
― DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
"New York City Boy" got a fair amount of airplay here -- without checking I think it's their biggest American crossover hit since the early nineties -- but I know a lot of rong people who think it's rather tacky.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
That would be me. I find it a bit PSB-by-numbers and much less moving than Go West.
― Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
I don't understand that at all. There really isn't anything about "Go West" that doesn't make me roll my eyes to the point of sprain.
― DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
As someone in a (superficially) similar life situation as the video's main character when the track came out, I don't have a problem with the tacky obvious parts of New York City Boy. But it sure isn't the most subtle thing in the world. With Go West, the listener does get to fill in the blanks a little.
― skip, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
(I hate the original too so it isn't totally PSB's fault)
― DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
You have to at least give them credit for taking a genuinely joyful and optimistic track and turning into something rather mournful without actually changing much.
― daavid, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
I've never liked Bilingual, but look forward to pulling out Nightlife and Fundamental again.
Interesting fact: PSB one of the few bands my wife and I love equally, can listen to every day, any time. It's true!
Other true fact: PSB my cousin's fave act besides Pearl Jam and Rush (!).
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
I have never gotten "mournful" off of their version of "Go West", including the listen I just gave it to see if I'd changed my mind (I hadn't).
― DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:29 (twelve years ago) link
It was a really significant cultural moment here and I can't quite remember why.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
if you don't like go west you don't get the pet shop boys
― jabba hands, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
Didn't it accompany their official coming out? That was how it was pitched over here, anyway.
also jabba is completely OffTM
― DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
I definitely detect a tinge of sadness/hopeful melancholy in "Go West."
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
;)
― jabba hands, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
that is largely because of what Neil Tennant's voice sounds like, IMO
― DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
I can buy that. But not everything he sings is steeped in melancholy. Compare this song to something like Se a Vida, for example.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
Nice run tonight! Bit bummed that "I Want To Wake Up" placed so low though.
― Asamoah Nyan (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
xxpost It's not super obvious, context is an important part of it: The gay utopia thing gone sour because of AIDS and the fall of the Soviet Union and communism... but I sort of agree with jabba hands, it's all in Tennant's voice really.
― daavid, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link
wait, how did the fall of the Soviet Union make gay utopia go sour
(I do remember subtext around HIV/AIDS now that you mention it)
― DJP, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
It made English departments in American universities the only places to fuck self-avowed communists.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
Unrelated. They thought of it in the context of AIDS, but then they thought it could also apply to the demise of the communism, which was happening at the time. They went with that idea for the video.
― daavid, Tuesday, 5 July 2011 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
I wish allmusic could find a better intro to the PSBs than this:
Postmodern ironists cloaked behind a veil of buoyantly melodic and lushly romantic synth pop confections…
― Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 08:21 (twelve years ago) link
fuck adverbs
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 12:49 (twelve years ago) link
okay which ILXor wrote that
― DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 13:10 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, I don't hear much of anything mournful in Go West, either.
― skip, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 13:38 (twelve years ago) link
I guess you could interpret it as an impossible fantasy of escape from a shitty situation.
― skip, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 13:40 (twelve years ago) link
Translated into English, "Postmodern ironists cloaked behind a veil of buoyantly melodic and lushly romantic synth pop confections" means "English faggots."
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 13:42 (twelve years ago) link
"Satiric and irreverent -- yet somehow strangely affecting -- Pet Shop Boys transcended the seeming disposability of their craft, offering wry and thoughtful cultural commentary communicated by the Morse code of au courant synth washes and drum-machine rhythms."
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 14:27 (twelve years ago) link
Please stop ("yet somehow strangely affecting "!). btw that AMG profile is at least ten years o.d
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 14:28 (twelve years ago) link
"Go West" absolutely has a mournful side to it, a lot of it stemming from it being a cover. The original was about pre-AIDS San Francisco, and their 1993 cover is a kind of bookend. In a deeply ironic and moving way, it's like they're angels of death singing this song. My #1.
― Lazy Lay (Eazy), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 14:53 (twelve years ago) link
They're basically doing a gay version of Randy Newman's "Sail Away."
― Lazy Lay (Eazy), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 14:56 (twelve years ago) link
(And I can't stand synth-horns, but "Go West" and Jane Wiedlin's Fur get around that.)
― Lazy Lay (Eazy), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 15:05 (twelve years ago) link
Hear a songThat's the bombIf you don't get the mixIt's gone eighty-six
These lines in NYCBoy make me cringe a bit, like Neal is reaching for, but not grasping, some sort of "authentic youth culture."
I prefer "Go West," but regardless of preference they're very different songs. NYCB is a coming of age song, it celebrates individual freedom. GW is about solidarity, community, a collective freedom.
― Megadeth Monk (Paul in Santa Cruz), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
You know what other song I missed that I wish some of you mentioned? "Was It Worth It." It gets better with each listen.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
Didn't they leave that off PopArt because it was their first single not to make the Top 20? Amazingly, only two subsequent singles (Numb and Did You See Me Coming?) have missed the Top 20 and both did better than Was It Worth It?
― Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
Recap 50-18.
18 Go West Very 223 10 119 Home and Dry Release 216 10 020 Se A Vida E (That's The Way Life Is) Bilingual 215 9 121 Suburbia Please 205 9 022 I'm Not Scared B-side 195 8 023 Domino Dancing Introspective 195 10 024 Young Offender Very 194 7 125 I Wouldn't Normally Do This Kind of Thing Very 189 9 126 I Want A Dog Introspective 169 7 027 I Want To Wake Up Actually 162 6 128 Flamboyant Standalone 161 7 129 Jealousy Behaviour 158 9 030 In The Night B-side 157 7 031 We All Feel Better In The Dark B-side 138 6 132 Try It (I'm In Love With A Married Man) Disco 3 136 5 033 I Don't Know What You Want But I Can't Give It Anymore Nightlife 129 6 034 Your Funny Uncle B-side 124 6 035 One More Chance B-side 123 5 036 The Truck Driver and his Mate B-side 120 6 037 It's Alright Introspective 118 4 038 My October Symphony Behaviour 116 5 039 Losing My Mind (Liza Minelli) Collaboration 109 6 040 Miserabilism B-side 106 6 041 It Couldn't Happen Here Actually 105 5 042 It Must Be Obvious B-side 98 5 043 Some Speculation B-side 98 4 044 Love Etc Yes 94 5 045 Where The Streets Have No Name(I Can't Take My Eyes Off of You) Standalone 87 4 046 A Red Letter Day Bilingual 83 4 047 Liberation Very 81 4 048 To Face The Truth Behaviour 77 3 049 Do I Have To? B-Side 76 4 050 I'm Not Scared (Eighth Wonder) Collaboration 69 4 0
17-1 coming up soon. If you want to try predicting the top 10, now's the time to do it.
― The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
OK then. No particular order:
Being BoringWest End GirlsRentWhat Have I Done to Deserve This?Always on My MindLeft to My Own DevicesIt's a SinPaninaroSo HardCan You Forgive Her?
Further down: Drunk, Dreaming of the Queen, Zero, King's Cross, This Must Be the Place… and some other stuff
― Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
I am still holding out hope for appearances by at least one of "Don Juan", "Jack The Lad" and "You Know Where You Went Wrong"
― DJP, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
I'll add Opportunities and Shameless to the predictions list for the full 17.
― Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
in order: West End Girls - Left To My Own Devices - Being Boring - Rent - What Have I Done To Deserve This? - King's Cross - So Hard - Can You Forgive Her? - Paninaro - It's A Sin
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
gah, that's practically the same ten
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
Funny that Fundamental has been rated higher than Release and Yes and yet it doesn't look to be represented in this poll.
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:07 (twelve years ago) link