This recap may reflect the poll differently in a couple spots because I applied trad ILM poll tiebreakers.
100. Big L - Put It On [4 votes, 125 points, 1994]98. Boogie Down Productions - The Bridge Is Over [5 votes, 125 points, 1986]98. Ol' Dirty Bastard - Brooklyn Zoo [5 votes, 125 points, 1995]97. Public Enemy - Night of the Living Baseheads [3 votes, 126 points, 1988]96. Fat Lip - What's Up Fat Lip [5 votes, 126 points, 2000]95. OutKast – Spottieottiedopalicious [4 votes, 1 #1 vote, 127 points, 1998]94. T.I. - Rubberband Man [5 votes, 128 points, 2003]93. Skee-Lo - I Wish [6 votes, 128 points, 1995]92. EPMD - Strictly Business [4 votes, 133 points, 1988]91. Bone Thugs-n-Harmony - Tha Crossroads [5 votes, 1 #1 vote, 134 points, 1995]90. EPMD - You Gots To Chill [4 votes, 139 points, 1988]89. Jeru The Damaja - Come Clean [5 votes, 140 points, 1993]88. De La Soul - Eye Know [5 votes, 142 points, 1989]87. Ludacris - Southern Hospitality [6 votes, 143 points, 2000]86. Smoothe da Hustler ft. Trigger tha Gambler - Broken Language [4 votes, 146 points, 1996]85. Nas - The World Is Yours [5 votes, 146 points, 1994]84. Naughty by Nature – O.P.P. [8 votes, 150 points, 1991]83. Heltah Skeltah ft. OGC - Lefleuf Leflah Eskoshka [4 votes, 151 points, 1995]82. The Sugarhill Gang - Rapper's Delight [4 votes, 1 #1 vote, 151 points, 1979]81. Ice Cube - When Will They Shoot? [4 votes, 153 points, 1992]80. Grandmaster Flash & Melle Mel - White Lines (Don't Don't Do It) [6 votes, 153 points, 1983]79. Jay-Z ft. U.G.K. – Big Pimpin’ [5 votes, 154 points, 1999]78. The Notorious B.I.G. - Party and Bullshit [5 votes, 156 points, 1993]77. Dr. Dre - Still D.R.E. [6 votes, 156 points, 1999]76. Ol' Dirty Bastard - Shimmy Shimmy Ya [8 votes, 158 points, 1995]
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
xpost Definitely think Chronic vs. 2001 is a closer call than most would admit.
― Parenthetical Grillz, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
loving the list so far even though only one song i've voted for has showed up -- guess i predicted the top 49
― Shippie_Ipley_Dope (some dude), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
that is it for today. thx to grillz, johnny and spottie, and of course everyone for voting.
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
these are 25 great songs, even the one I think is overrated is great
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
I'm 3/100 so far. Expected such.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
Three of mine have showed up - World Is Yours, Rapper's Delight, White Lines. I should've voted for Still Dre too. A lot of the others I don't actually know - Crossroads and SpottieOttie... my favourites so far.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
Eye Know, I Wish and Shimmy Shimmy Ya are my three so far. Can't believe I didn't vote for O.P.P. (especially after seeing some of the lesser-liked stuff I actually included on my ballot).
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
lol I didn't vote in this either
definitely would have voted for these:
97. Public Enemy - Night of the Living Baseheads [3 votes, 126 points, 1988]89. Jeru The Damaja - Come Clean [5 votes, 140 points, 1993]84. Naughty by Nature – O.P.P. [8 votes, 150 points, 1991]81. Ice Cube - When Will They Shoot? [4 votes, 153 points, 1992]
might have voted for these:
93. Skee-Lo - I Wish [6 votes, 128 points, 1995]87. Ludacris - Southern Hospitality [6 votes, 143 points, 2000]82. The Sugarhill Gang - Rapper's Delight [4 votes, 1 #1 vote, 151 points, 1979]80. Grandmaster Flash & Melle Mel - White Lines (Don't Don't Do It) [6 votes, 153 points, 1983]76. Ol' Dirty Bastard - Shimmy Shimmy Ya [8 votes, 158 points, 1995]
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
I've only got three so far as well, but my albums ballot was so thoroughly intertwined w/ what placed that I would prefer a surprising and random list of things I could just have easily voted for b/c they are great fucking tracks - so far, that seems to be the case.
― buhlogna mindstate (Pillbox), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
"O.P.P." is the one i voted for. i don't remember making a deliberate decision not to vote for "Rapper's Delight," definitely would've included it if i'd thought to.
― Shippie_Ipley_Dope (some dude), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
Voted Come Clean, Spottieottiedopalicious, and What's Up Fatlip?
Not mad at anything so far, really. Love a lot of it, esp When Will They Shoot, Broken Language and Eye Know. Heltah Skeltah's the only thing I haven't heard, and it sounds good (though if it's in there over I Got Cha Opin or Who Got Da Props I will be ril ril mad.)
― Parenthetical Grillz, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
95. OutKast – Spottieottiedopalicious [4 votes, 1 #1 vote, 127 points, 1998]89. Jeru The Damaja - Come Clean [5 votes, 140 points, 1993]86. Smoothe da Hustler ft. Trigger tha Gambler - Broken Language [4 votes, 146 points, 1996]83. Heltah Skeltah ft. OGC - Lefleuf Leflah Eskoshka [4 votes, 151 points, 1995]
Voted for these but thought I had 'Put It On' in my list too, whoops.
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
voted for
95. OutKast – Spottieottiedopalicious [4 votes, 1 #1 vote, 127 points, 1998]94. T.I. - Rubberband Man [5 votes, 128 points, 2003]91. Bone Thugs-n-Harmony - Tha Crossroads [5 votes, 1 #1 vote, 134 points, 1995]90. EPMD - You Gots To Chill [4 votes, 139 points, 1988]77. Dr. Dre - Still D.R.E. [6 votes, 156 points, 1999]
cool list
― shalmaneser (tpp), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
Look at that, three/four Spottieottiedopalicious voters in a row. I think that's bingo.
― Parenthetical Grillz, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
Nothing I voted made out although w one exception I didn't vote at all strategically
― lebroner (D-40), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
been good so far, ones I placed are
100. Boogie Down Productions - The Bridge Is Over [5 votes, 125 points, 1986] (#10 on my ballot)96. Fat Lip - What's Up Fat Lip [5 votes, 126 points, 2000] (tie w/ #97) (#16 on my ballot)93. Skee-Lo - I Wish [6 votes, 128 points, 1995] (tie w/ #94) (#47 on my ballot)92. EPMD - Strictly Business [4 votes, 133 points, 1988] (#12 on my ballot)84. Naughty by Nature - O.P.P. [8 votes, 150 points, 1991] (#45 on my ballot)
kinda suprised "you gots to chill" beat out "strictly business" maybe ppl got confused haw
― no serenade no fire brigade just a trypophobia (Edward III), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
― lebroner (D-40), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:37 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
made me lol
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
it is strange how Big Pimpin's cultural moment just totally passed me by - never heard it on the radio, never heard it at a party, never heard it in somebody else's car - it's like it only exists retroactively for me
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
how is that even possible
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
yeah thats crazy
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
'Shakey: the Martian Colony years'
― got a whole lotta gloves (snoball), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
I dunno, not a lot of Jay-Z fans in San Francisco, what can I say
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
I vivdly remember two conversations about that song from my childhood (one was an older kid explaining what BLADs were)
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
Bay Area has always struck me as remarkably insular when it comes to hip hop, even to this day
xp
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
Glad to see "When Will They Shoot" placed. that song is GOAT.
― the emancipation of distraction (askance johnson), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
Big pimpin was huge. No way that bypassed the bay
― lebroner (D-40), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know. I missed it too. I was in SF in 2000, listening to the radio.
― Parenthetical Grillz, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
tbf radio WAS far more regional in 2000 than it is now
― Shippie_Ipley_Dope (some dude), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
It could be me. I feel like I never really "got" Big Pimpin' anyway. I remember tons of Cash Money on the radio at that time.
― Parenthetical Grillz, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
I've always felt like when I turn on hip hop radio here I do not hear anything but west coast + southern stuff and that was true back then as well. I mean obviously I missed something but it's not like I made an effort to avoid it or anything, Jay-Z just didn't register - if anything was blasting through the neighborhood it was shit like 2Pac, Spice 1, Mac Dre, E-40, Too $hort, Luniz, Keak Da Sneak etc. plus maybe "Ugh (na na na na)" lol (PG OTM about the Bay always making time for Cash Money, plus dudes like T.I., David Banner)
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
now that I think of it maybe it's just a holdover of the 2Pac/Biggie beef
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
That def sounds right to me from what I remember. They shy away from East Coast stuff. I grew up in Cali and have lived in NYC for 9 years. It took me moving out here to start really digging into NYC rap.
― Parenthetical Grillz, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
Spotify playlist: http://open.spotify.com/user/miketd/playlist/3Gre0dm7q3UC0vQfspoPRu
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
Never thought of big pimpin as nyc rap, it was all over mtv etc and was straight pop
― lebroner (D-40), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
plus its got ugk and timbo
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
I haven't watched MTV since Yo! MTV Raps went off the air. UGK didn't get the Bay Area exposure that the New Orleans/Cash Money stuff did, for some reason, I only found out about them years after the fact (lol Outkast namedropping)
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
Only one song for me so far: Still D.R.E.
― pwn thugs n harmony (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
xxpost Making a different point, guys. Settle down.
― Parenthetical Grillz, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not gonna argue that Big Pimpin is not a pop song (obviously it is) but in terms of radio programming and regional popularity in the Bay, the more I think about it I'm inclined to think that the Pac/Biggie murders really are the key thing... listening to/promoting east coast stuff seems border-line heretical around here. 2Pac is like a patron saint. Even years after the fact I can easily imagine how Bay Area stations wouldn't be super-keen on promoting one of Biggie's buddies, no matter how pop. Pac seems to have rather clearly lost the legacy sweepstakes for the rest of the country though - Biggie's revered as one of the greatest rappers of all-time, Pac is kind of a footnote, an also-ran. (I don't give a shit about either of them, tbh)
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think Pac is a footnote at all, given the ridiculous amount of posthumous stuff released (not to mention the "Tupac is still alive" stuff)
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
it's not like that posthumous stuff is doing his catalog any favors though. it's just cash-in shit.
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
who is it that actually cashed in btw? is it all suge? family? or?
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
pac was bigger in chicago than biggie
im not claiming to know what the bay was like fwiw -- i would just be genuinely surprised if big pimpin didnt have a pretty big profile & im not sure if shakey's detachment i.e. not watching MTV might be coloring his interpretation of the bay's bay-centric-ness
also virtually everyone ive talked to sees circa 2000 bay music as pretty much the worst era for bay rap
― lebroner (D-40), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
I don't really know ... would assume it's suge, dude has bills to pay
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
circa 2000 bay music as pretty much the worst era for bay rap
not gonna contest this point lol
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
wasn't mama pac behind the posthum stuff
― no serenade no fire brigade just a trypophobia (Edward III), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 23:25 (twelve years ago) link
i am the final spottieottiedopaliscious voter
defeat me and you will go on to battle your rival, gary
― cause i'm close to the edge of glory i'm trying not to lose my hair (zachlyon), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 01:05 (twelve years ago) link
"i wish" was in my top 10 because "i wish" is the best, also voted "what's up fatlip" and "shimmy shimmy ya" and "party and bullshit"
― cause i'm close to the edge of glory i'm trying not to lose my hair (zachlyon), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 01:08 (twelve years ago) link
It's weird how some of this just passed me by for some reason I've never heard any Big L stuff but I've heard bits of that song as samples in a lot of places.
I always have stages where I'm not paying attention to rap music for a while and then get back into it and try to catch up, and some things just never click. Tupac, Boot Camp, Bone Thugs, and Chronic 2001 don't do anything for me at all; I couldn't get into them retroactively for some reason.
― joygoat, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 04:42 (twelve years ago) link