This is, like, legitimately great so far. Even the novelty songs are fairly undeniable.
Should I be waiting for the other shoe to drop?
― Parenthetical Grillz, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
2nd is the classic remix w/ mc eiht and e40 if you've never heard it
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link
This recap may reflect the poll differently in a couple spots because I applied trad ILM poll tiebreakers.
100. Big L - Put It On [4 votes, 125 points, 1994]98. Boogie Down Productions - The Bridge Is Over [5 votes, 125 points, 1986]98. Ol' Dirty Bastard - Brooklyn Zoo [5 votes, 125 points, 1995]97. Public Enemy - Night of the Living Baseheads [3 votes, 126 points, 1988]96. Fat Lip - What's Up Fat Lip [5 votes, 126 points, 2000]95. OutKast – Spottieottiedopalicious [4 votes, 1 #1 vote, 127 points, 1998]94. T.I. - Rubberband Man [5 votes, 128 points, 2003]93. Skee-Lo - I Wish [6 votes, 128 points, 1995]92. EPMD - Strictly Business [4 votes, 133 points, 1988]91. Bone Thugs-n-Harmony - Tha Crossroads [5 votes, 1 #1 vote, 134 points, 1995]90. EPMD - You Gots To Chill [4 votes, 139 points, 1988]89. Jeru The Damaja - Come Clean [5 votes, 140 points, 1993]88. De La Soul - Eye Know [5 votes, 142 points, 1989]87. Ludacris - Southern Hospitality [6 votes, 143 points, 2000]86. Smoothe da Hustler ft. Trigger tha Gambler - Broken Language [4 votes, 146 points, 1996]85. Nas - The World Is Yours [5 votes, 146 points, 1994]84. Naughty by Nature – O.P.P. [8 votes, 150 points, 1991]83. Heltah Skeltah ft. OGC - Lefleuf Leflah Eskoshka [4 votes, 151 points, 1995]82. The Sugarhill Gang - Rapper's Delight [4 votes, 1 #1 vote, 151 points, 1979]81. Ice Cube - When Will They Shoot? [4 votes, 153 points, 1992]80. Grandmaster Flash & Melle Mel - White Lines (Don't Don't Do It) [6 votes, 153 points, 1983]79. Jay-Z ft. U.G.K. – Big Pimpin’ [5 votes, 154 points, 1999]78. The Notorious B.I.G. - Party and Bullshit [5 votes, 156 points, 1993]77. Dr. Dre - Still D.R.E. [6 votes, 156 points, 1999]76. Ol' Dirty Bastard - Shimmy Shimmy Ya [8 votes, 158 points, 1995]
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost Definitely think Chronic vs. 2001 is a closer call than most would admit.
― Parenthetical Grillz, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link
loving the list so far even though only one song i've voted for has showed up -- guess i predicted the top 49
― Shippie_Ipley_Dope (some dude), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link
that is it for today. thx to grillz, johnny and spottie, and of course everyone for voting.
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link
these are 25 great songs, even the one I think is overrated is great
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm 3/100 so far. Expected such.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Three of mine have showed up - World Is Yours, Rapper's Delight, White Lines. I should've voted for Still Dre too. A lot of the others I don't actually know - Crossroads and SpottieOttie... my favourites so far.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Eye Know, I Wish and Shimmy Shimmy Ya are my three so far. Can't believe I didn't vote for O.P.P. (especially after seeing some of the lesser-liked stuff I actually included on my ballot).
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
lol I didn't vote in this either
definitely would have voted for these:
97. Public Enemy - Night of the Living Baseheads [3 votes, 126 points, 1988]89. Jeru The Damaja - Come Clean [5 votes, 140 points, 1993]84. Naughty by Nature – O.P.P. [8 votes, 150 points, 1991]81. Ice Cube - When Will They Shoot? [4 votes, 153 points, 1992]
might have voted for these:
93. Skee-Lo - I Wish [6 votes, 128 points, 1995]87. Ludacris - Southern Hospitality [6 votes, 143 points, 2000]82. The Sugarhill Gang - Rapper's Delight [4 votes, 1 #1 vote, 151 points, 1979]80. Grandmaster Flash & Melle Mel - White Lines (Don't Don't Do It) [6 votes, 153 points, 1983]76. Ol' Dirty Bastard - Shimmy Shimmy Ya [8 votes, 158 points, 1995]
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
I've only got three so far as well, but my albums ballot was so thoroughly intertwined w/ what placed that I would prefer a surprising and random list of things I could just have easily voted for b/c they are great fucking tracks - so far, that seems to be the case.
― buhlogna mindstate (Pillbox), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
"O.P.P." is the one i voted for. i don't remember making a deliberate decision not to vote for "Rapper's Delight," definitely would've included it if i'd thought to.
― Shippie_Ipley_Dope (some dude), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Voted Come Clean, Spottieottiedopalicious, and What's Up Fatlip?
Not mad at anything so far, really. Love a lot of it, esp When Will They Shoot, Broken Language and Eye Know. Heltah Skeltah's the only thing I haven't heard, and it sounds good (though if it's in there over I Got Cha Opin or Who Got Da Props I will be ril ril mad.)
― Parenthetical Grillz, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
95. OutKast – Spottieottiedopalicious [4 votes, 1 #1 vote, 127 points, 1998]89. Jeru The Damaja - Come Clean [5 votes, 140 points, 1993]86. Smoothe da Hustler ft. Trigger tha Gambler - Broken Language [4 votes, 146 points, 1996]83. Heltah Skeltah ft. OGC - Lefleuf Leflah Eskoshka [4 votes, 151 points, 1995]
Voted for these but thought I had 'Put It On' in my list too, whoops.
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
voted for
95. OutKast – Spottieottiedopalicious [4 votes, 1 #1 vote, 127 points, 1998]94. T.I. - Rubberband Man [5 votes, 128 points, 2003]91. Bone Thugs-n-Harmony - Tha Crossroads [5 votes, 1 #1 vote, 134 points, 1995]90. EPMD - You Gots To Chill [4 votes, 139 points, 1988]77. Dr. Dre - Still D.R.E. [6 votes, 156 points, 1999]
cool list
― shalmaneser (tpp), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Look at that, three/four Spottieottiedopalicious voters in a row. I think that's bingo.
― Parenthetical Grillz, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Nothing I voted made out although w one exception I didn't vote at all strategically
― lebroner (D-40), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link
been good so far, ones I placed are
100. Boogie Down Productions - The Bridge Is Over [5 votes, 125 points, 1986] (#10 on my ballot)96. Fat Lip - What's Up Fat Lip [5 votes, 126 points, 2000] (tie w/ #97) (#16 on my ballot)93. Skee-Lo - I Wish [6 votes, 128 points, 1995] (tie w/ #94) (#47 on my ballot)92. EPMD - Strictly Business [4 votes, 133 points, 1988] (#12 on my ballot)84. Naughty by Nature - O.P.P. [8 votes, 150 points, 1991] (#45 on my ballot)
kinda suprised "you gots to chill" beat out "strictly business" maybe ppl got confused haw
― no serenade no fire brigade just a trypophobia (Edward III), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
― lebroner (D-40), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:37 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
made me lol
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
it is strange how Big Pimpin's cultural moment just totally passed me by - never heard it on the radio, never heard it at a party, never heard it in somebody else's car - it's like it only exists retroactively for me
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link
how is that even possible
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah thats crazy
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
'Shakey: the Martian Colony years'
― got a whole lotta gloves (snoball), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I dunno, not a lot of Jay-Z fans in San Francisco, what can I say
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I vivdly remember two conversations about that song from my childhood (one was an older kid explaining what BLADs were)
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Bay Area has always struck me as remarkably insular when it comes to hip hop, even to this day
xp
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Glad to see "When Will They Shoot" placed. that song is GOAT.
― the emancipation of distraction (askance johnson), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Big pimpin was huge. No way that bypassed the bay
― lebroner (D-40), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know. I missed it too. I was in SF in 2000, listening to the radio.
― Parenthetical Grillz, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
tbf radio WAS far more regional in 2000 than it is now
― Shippie_Ipley_Dope (some dude), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
It could be me. I feel like I never really "got" Big Pimpin' anyway. I remember tons of Cash Money on the radio at that time.
― Parenthetical Grillz, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I've always felt like when I turn on hip hop radio here I do not hear anything but west coast + southern stuff and that was true back then as well. I mean obviously I missed something but it's not like I made an effort to avoid it or anything, Jay-Z just didn't register - if anything was blasting through the neighborhood it was shit like 2Pac, Spice 1, Mac Dre, E-40, Too $hort, Luniz, Keak Da Sneak etc. plus maybe "Ugh (na na na na)" lol (PG OTM about the Bay always making time for Cash Money, plus dudes like T.I., David Banner)
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
now that I think of it maybe it's just a holdover of the 2Pac/Biggie beef
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
That def sounds right to me from what I remember. They shy away from East Coast stuff. I grew up in Cali and have lived in NYC for 9 years. It took me moving out here to start really digging into NYC rap.
― Parenthetical Grillz, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Spotify playlist: http://open.spotify.com/user/miketd/playlist/3Gre0dm7q3UC0vQfspoPRu
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Never thought of big pimpin as nyc rap, it was all over mtv etc and was straight pop
― lebroner (D-40), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
plus its got ugk and timbo
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I haven't watched MTV since Yo! MTV Raps went off the air. UGK didn't get the Bay Area exposure that the New Orleans/Cash Money stuff did, for some reason, I only found out about them years after the fact (lol Outkast namedropping)
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Only one song for me so far: Still D.R.E.
― pwn thugs n harmony (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
xxpost Making a different point, guys. Settle down.
― Parenthetical Grillz, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not gonna argue that Big Pimpin is not a pop song (obviously it is) but in terms of radio programming and regional popularity in the Bay, the more I think about it I'm inclined to think that the Pac/Biggie murders really are the key thing... listening to/promoting east coast stuff seems border-line heretical around here. 2Pac is like a patron saint. Even years after the fact I can easily imagine how Bay Area stations wouldn't be super-keen on promoting one of Biggie's buddies, no matter how pop. Pac seems to have rather clearly lost the legacy sweepstakes for the rest of the country though - Biggie's revered as one of the greatest rappers of all-time, Pac is kind of a footnote, an also-ran. (I don't give a shit about either of them, tbh)
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think Pac is a footnote at all, given the ridiculous amount of posthumous stuff released (not to mention the "Tupac is still alive" stuff)
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
it's not like that posthumous stuff is doing his catalog any favors though. it's just cash-in shit.
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
who is it that actually cashed in btw? is it all suge? family? or?
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link
pac was bigger in chicago than biggie
im not claiming to know what the bay was like fwiw -- i would just be genuinely surprised if big pimpin didnt have a pretty big profile & im not sure if shakey's detachment i.e. not watching MTV might be coloring his interpretation of the bay's bay-centric-ness
also virtually everyone ive talked to sees circa 2000 bay music as pretty much the worst era for bay rap
― lebroner (D-40), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't really know ... would assume it's suge, dude has bills to pay
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link
circa 2000 bay music as pretty much the worst era for bay rap
not gonna contest this point lol
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
wasn't mama pac behind the posthum stuff
― no serenade no fire brigade just a trypophobia (Edward III), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i am the final spottieottiedopaliscious voter
defeat me and you will go on to battle your rival, gary
― cause i'm close to the edge of glory i'm trying not to lose my hair (zachlyon), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link