OINK Probs???

I just removed all the oink torrents from uTorrent and it feels a bit surreal.

aw shit, I just donated like 4 days ago.

i honestly felt helpless for a bit after i heard it. like if the only place i ate for 2 years suddenly wasn't there anymore.

^^^i know this is fodder for lol oink people but it's true :( :( :(

i think it's hilarious that the dude who organized the raid was like, "thousands of people payed premium money for this site." idiot.

I often noticed IMAGE/ requests to my website that came from OINK and had no problems with users sharing my stuff since it seemed a fairly small and exclusive community of people who dug music.

Not to derailroad the thread, but my main problem is with all the Russian mp3 sites and the people who use them and take some kind of moral high-ground when most of the goods they offer are obviously downloaded en-masse from file-sharing in the first place! A bunch of them still have tags of the original rippers, FFS! That and the rumours of organised crime involvement and the seeming impossibility of getting to speak to anyone at the Russian collecting agency it all leaves a bad taste in my mouth - obviously they're the ones making REAL money off mp3s rather than the filesharers.

i dont think i can read abt music anymore - i just reflexively go to open oink in a new tab whenever i hear abt something i want

i don't think i can listen to music anymore

i just miss my cute avatar.

http://home.flash.net/~ulknatme/monument.gif

i miss paying money to download pre-releases. i don't think i can do that anymore on oink.

Anti file-sharing laws considered

Lord Triesman called on internet service providers to take a "more activist role" in the problem of illegal file sharing.

(I'm suing the government because they own the road where someone drove too fast and crashed into my car. It's their road, so it's their fault.)

(except, that's not what he said, is it? nevermind)

I wonder if he backed up the db surreptitiously to some host far, far away. Would surely have been prudent. Cos it's a bad loss otherwise. Not quite library of Alexandria as I read somewhere, but money-grubbing vandalism all the same.

Apparently not:

http://tehpaine.blogspot.com/2007/10/sit-down-and-shut-fuck-up.html

hmmm

http://torrentfreak.com/oink-admin-released-from-custody-071023/#comment-194577

http://torrentfreak.com/oink-admin-released-from-custody-071023/#comment-194601

http://torrentfreak.com/oink-admin-released-from-custody-071023/#comment-194613

wow.

yikes.

none of them said what country they're in, huh?

cuz they're lying?

thousands of pounds of ebooks

when i logged in to my personal computerised desktop PC today there was an internet e-mail page from my ISP telling me i was a cunt.

aha i get it now!

i uploaded thousands and thousands of pounds of missy elliot. hopefully i'll survive :X

when i logged in to my personal computerised desktop PC today

Actually, my ISP does stuff like that too. Once you've used up 90% of your monthly Gigabytes, the next page you open will automatically go to a warning page of theirs, telling you that you need to watch out or pay extra. - I mean, it's pretty easy for them to put up something like that for any IP address they want to contact.

(this hasn't got anything to do with illegal stuff, by the way, just that my ISP has a monthly data limit) ("limit" was the word I couldn't think of when I wrote the previous message :-) )

aye, maybe so. but i very much doubt this is the case here.

i mean: a felonious user is still a user paying their subs, right? so until some kind of charges are brought, what kind of ISP is going to cut off a source of income? also: i'm pretty sure most ISPs have a vague notion of the phrase "innocent until proven guilty".

these are just two of the things that set off the GrimlyFishy-o-Meter about this one. sure, i could be wrong. it has been known, once or twice. but, eh ...

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/10/24/time_to_clear_up_the_murk_about_oink.html

Oink interview 1: http://dot-slash-csc.iblogger.org/oinkfaq.html
OInk interview 2: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/25/ninternet125.xml

I'm kinda hoping the industry is going to learn something this time, but I'm pessimistic.

I know that technically he's not doing anything wrong, and the argument about it being a choice to do something illegal, but I think it's really ridiculous to say it wasn't intended to be used or wasn't recognized as being used for illegal music downloads. I think the Oink model is good, I don't make a lot of money, so I need to know where it goes with CDs. I do go to more shows and buy more CDs because of Oink, because I find more things I truly enjoy.

It's preposterous to say that Oink is no more of an enabler of copyright violation than an ISP.

I am in a band who are trying to 'make it' at the moment. The fact is that I would be so happy if every person in the world wanted to download my music for free - as long as I could take home 30k a year from shows, that would be fine.

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This guy's got it figured out

Enabling copyright infringement isn't a crime under English law:

While FACT's statement cited "offences relating to the facilitation of copyright infringement," Gloucestershire police told IT news site The Register that the man has been "arrested for supplying property with a registered trade mark without permission."

The first of these is not an offence and the second does not fit the circumstances, according to Kim Walker, head of intellectual property at Pinsent Masons, the law firm behind OUT-LAW.COM.

"We don't have an offence in the UK for facilitation of copyright infringement," said Walker. "Instead, it is possible that prosecutors could attempt to characterise this as an offence of 'distributing' infringing copies or 'communicating' copies to the public in the course of a business."

http://www.out-law.com/page-8568

Yes, fair point. My comment was ambiguous.

Instead, it is possible that prosecutors could attempt to characterise this as an offence of 'distributing' infringing copies or 'communicating' copies to the public in the course of a business.

What I meant by "enabling". I think demonstrating that the owner of Oink is liable for massive copyright infringement (and presumably some criminal charges under the Computer Misuse Act) is a legal open goal. Dude is going down. The idea that the distributed nature of BitTorrent means the owner of the tracker isn't liable is wishful thinking that is going to get absolutely shit on in court.

Anyone claiming there is no legal difference between how responsible for the illegal activity of its users are Oink and ISPs (who we all agree should not be held responsible) is either being disingenuous or simply doesn't understand the precedent.

[IANAL, but I did used to work for the Lib Dems on their policy for the internet, publishing and copyright, and then for an academic publisher, and now I own a record label, so I do know my way around the relevant UK law.]

It's all Pedro and Keith, this raid: http://oink.cd/index2.html (!!)

Strange.

You'd expect them to use more smileys amongst each other, wouldn't you?

http://i21.tinypic.com/2epr59e.gif

http://i23.tinypic.com/14j89ec.gif

I've been wondering about the legal side of it, too. I don't know how well the "I'm just the same as Google, me" thing stands up to the laugh test, however.

people does not understand internet, or people older than 40 should not be allowed to make any judgement about teh internet, unless they've got some form of education on the matter. i imagine it being surrealistically funny for that Oink guy to be questioned

yeah, that Oink-as-Google thing is pretty disingenuous to say the least, considering you had to maintain a share ratio or get your account deleted.

the fact that hes talking in detail about lots of this shit to, you know, the internet sounds crazy stupid to me. along with the part about not having hired a lawyer.

@deej, yeah, but he isn't charged with anything yet. So there's nothing a lawyer could do for him right now. Except being costly to someone who just got fired.

well, i would still prob stfu from the online convos/talking to the press

i would prob have not started an illegal filesharing hub

echoes of aphex lamenting the loss of audiogalaxy back in the day

if i had, i also wouldn't house it in the uk, and i would probably want the url to not be publicly listed w/ my name and address

also would not have called it "oink!" and made it embarrassingly twee

Wow, I had no idea OiNK was such a high-trafficked site. Did it really replace Slsk for you guys? (The only places I use to download entire albums are non-p2p venues like Sound Opinions Message Board and Sordo Music Archive.)

(I mean, I thought ILX just made fun of OiNK users.)