Does anyone really like the Red Hot Chili Peppers?

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James Surowiecki (sic, probably) had a good thing in Slate a couple of weeks back about how he loves the new album and raving about John Frusciante (lot of technical musico speak too, to be expected from The New Yorkers' house economist I guess) and how he can only listen to the first ten to thirty seconds of each song because after that you have to listen to Anthony Kiedis sing. Dave Q's comment regarding Chili Peppers = Eagles seems especially deadon, they're everything that makes me suspect I'd hate L.A.

"tattoos and fucking extreme sports and obviously dancing around in underwear" - this America most definitely does exist (turn on ESPN2 next time you're stateside).

James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 11 October 2002 16:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Flea is the best bassist in the world...

insectifly (insectifly), Friday, 11 October 2002 16:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

...is one of the funnier 'truths of the nineties'.

James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 11 October 2002 16:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

RHCP as banner boys for X-Treme America - oh, that's some funny stuff, especially since they're dropping ornate instrumentation & three-part harmonies all over their newest album. CS&N fandom is XTREME! (I think that lifestyle Ronan & James describe / dispute exists nowadays only in shitty Coors beer commercials - that is, the commercials w/out the Andrew WK songs.)

_By The Way_ is damn good, by the way. (Oh, ha.)

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 October 2002 16:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

You know how in surfing movies there's the grizzled old (ie. 30) surfer who looks kinda like Gary Busey with a touch of Montgomery Clift that the surfer kids look to as the elder/shamen of their tribe*? That's the role the Chili Peppers (and perhaps the guys in the Mountain Dew commercials) play in X-Treme America. Three-part harmonies = emotional maturation = one day I'll be nicer to my girlfriend.

* this may not be true

James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 11 October 2002 16:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Three-part harmonies = emotional maturation

Mr. Blount clearly hasn't had the pleasure of listening to Phish.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 October 2002 16:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

BUT their cameo in The Simpsons is probably the best of any band

and if you dont think stuff like that is important then you can fuck right off

blueski, Friday, 11 October 2002 17:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

"everyone can enjoy that"

dleone (dleone), Friday, 11 October 2002 18:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

"what I'd like is I'd like to hug and kiss you"

dleone (dleone), Friday, 11 October 2002 18:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

flea is great in back to the future two and the big lebowski!!

s trife (simon_tr), Friday, 11 October 2002 18:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

No singer has benefited more from auto-tune technology than Mr. Keidis.

RHCP write good singles though, "Road Trippin'" especially.

Yancey (ystrickler), Friday, 11 October 2002 18:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

Best Flea moive = Dudes. Best Anthony Movie = Point Break.

bnw (bnw), Friday, 11 October 2002 18:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Trivia time: RHCP's cover of "Subterranean Homesick Blues" is playing on the boombox near the begining of the 1988 Sam Elliot/Paul Weller film Shakedown. A white guy approaches Richard Brooks (later of Law and Order) and complains, "I hate rap!"

Bonus: Movie climaxes with Elliot deliberately crashing a jet, just barely missing the Twin Towers.

Pete Scholtes, Friday, 11 October 2002 20:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Does anyone really like the Red Hot Chili Peppers?"

A lot of people, seemingly. Not me, mind. Flea maybe a technically great musician, but his plinking-plonking-twanging bass sound is one of my least favourite sounds, not even just in the musical field. It's worse than the sound of belching. Ugh. "Californication" was in my top 5 least favourite albums of all time, it's an absolute dog of an album.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 11 October 2002 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wrong. Best Flea movie = Penelope Spheeris' "Suburbia."

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 11 October 2002 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

'bloodsugarsexmagik' actually meant something to me at the time, even if it is just a watered-down version of a lot of other things done better by other people. "Give It Away" is a good single. also the dirty bits in the other songs were much-valued contraband to a twelve-year-old. and they do have their moments in their post-MothMilk stuff - "Soul To Squeeze" is their best non-album track, and "Warped" and "Scar Tissue" are also worth it. i would buy a singles comp from their later years, but that's all.

Dave M. (rotten03), Friday, 11 October 2002 20:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

how can you like Jane's Addiction and not like RHCP even a little bit?

Dave M. (rotten03), Friday, 11 October 2002 20:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Avoiding your point, but: I hate Jane's Addiction completely and like RHCP a little bit.

Yancey (ystrickler), Friday, 11 October 2002 20:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like "True Men Don't Kill Coyotes" but that's about it. Jane's Addiction (their direct L.A. peers) were light years better. Although the Chili Peppers are far better (i.e. less irritating) than any of the nu-metal stuff

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 11 October 2002 20:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Fishbone stalled but I would mention them, too. And everybody knows about the Minutemen, RHCP models. "Under the Bridge" is Flea's Watt immitation set to Journey.

Pete Scholtes, Friday, 11 October 2002 23:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Every once in a while they do something that doesn't make me want to immediately vomit, and that one video - think the song's called 'Otherside' is really a great video. My primary problem with them is that they seem like such half-baked assholes. Which is, you know, FINE. If only if their collective personalities were easily separable from the music. Instead, virtually everything they do reeks of it.

Kim (Kim), Saturday, 12 October 2002 00:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Jane's Addiction (their direct L.A. peers) were light years better

maybe, but i would argue that the self-indulgent/dull/irritating moments in JA are at least as bad as anything RHCP did. i think the fact that JA broke up before most of their fans outgrew their stuff is their critical shining armor.

Dave M. (rotten03), Saturday, 12 October 2002 00:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

I really don;t like when the RHCP try to be serious. Some of their funk-ish tracks are better.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Saturday, 12 October 2002 00:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

The solo in "Scar Tissue" reminds me of the solo in "Torn".

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 12 October 2002 05:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

They're the new generation's Rolling Stones...i.e. decrepit, washed-up, greedy, ruthless, millionaire drug addicts still hawking themselves as beacons of youth rebellion. Though at least Mick didn't need to have his vocals recorded one word at a time and painstakingly pieced together in the studio over months as Anthony does.

G. Turkington, Wednesday, 16 October 2002 22:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

If that really is Mr. Turkington, welcome. Neil Hamburger's entries in the premiere issue of Arthur make me smile.

the 1988 Sam Elliot/Paul Weller film

I would pay money to see Sam Elliot kill Paul Weller on film. Or at least abuse him.

As for the question at hand...I'll grant 'em "Give It Away" and Frusciante really is a fantastic musician on his own. But that's it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 23:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

“Yeah, That’s much better”

“Hey, why didn’t we think of that?”

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 17 October 2002 03:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ned -- is Arthur on the newstand?

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 17 October 2002 03:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

I forgot about Fishbone.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 17 October 2002 03:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ned -- is Arthur on the newstand?

Copies were at Terrastock.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 October 2002 03:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Their cover of Love Rollercoaster is about the worst thing anyone ever did. ssssSSSSSSUUUUUUUUUUUCKS!

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 17 October 2002 11:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

i always kinda hated them. i mean, *funk metal*, come on. but every song i've heard by them over the last couple of years (their mature period i suppose) has been pretty good in a kind of world weary cali-druggy sort of way.

it pained me to say that.

adam b (adam b), Thursday, 17 October 2002 19:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thank you, Ned! I still haven't seen Arthur yet myself.

G. Turkington, Friday, 18 October 2002 23:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

five months pass...
u can all go **** urselves, rhcp rock. if u can't appreciate them for their musical ability then ur nuts. u need a serious head check!!

t, Thursday, 10 April 2003 13:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

oooh 'by the way' john frusciante is sooooooo cute! (that coming from a teenage girl)

t, Thursday, 10 April 2003 13:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

i don't appreciate bands solely on their "musical ability", t. i like to hear more than just technically great bass-work, especially when all it's doing is creating such ugly, ugly music.

frusciante's cuteness is another matter entirely.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 10 April 2003 13:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Chili peppers' career path is similar to Aerosmith's to an alarming degree.

dleone (dleone), Thursday, 10 April 2003 13:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

I liked that last single.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 10 April 2003 13:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

I forgot about Fishbone.

EVERYONE DOES. (except for me & maybe chaki)

Honestly, I loved their first 3 albums, was kinda "meh" about most of Mother's Milk (even though "Magic Johnson" & "Knock Me Down" are grebt songs, and "Pretty Little Ditty" was a thing of beauty until Crazytown raped it raw), ABSOLUTELY LOVED AND STILL DO Blood Sugar Sex Magik, and everything since then has been touched with rare moments of greatness ("Kill Your Television" fr'instance), but mostly frustrating in-that they've got great melodic/harmonic ideas (thank you John Frusciate!), but a lead singer with a rather limited range and a voice that can be k-annoying. This is a band I once loved, now a band I k-like that has some songs I love that my own band is (painfully often) compared to.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 10 April 2003 13:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

And I want to mention that, although they're VERY challenging and rather harsh listens, Frusciante's solo albums are dirty gorgeous cracked-out raw soul.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 10 April 2003 13:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

And Flea's not a great bassist 'cause of technical-shmecnical mumbo jumbo, he's a great bassist because his basslines are very clear and strong and catchy and just so damned funky. Young MC agrees.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 10 April 2003 13:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Young MC agrees.

Well, I'm sold!

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 10 April 2003 13:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think "By the Way" was one of the great radio singles of last year -- even though I'm not otherwise invested in RHCP. In fact, a lot of their newer (Frusciante comeback) material strikes me as "modal" somehow. Or maybe I'm using that word wrong, but Radiohead uses a similar compositional technique. Does anyone know what I mean?

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 10 April 2003 13:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

That first Frusciante solo alb is nice and cracked-up.

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Thursday, 10 April 2003 14:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Catholic School Girls Rule.

christoff (christoff), Thursday, 10 April 2003 19:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Everyone should remember that every Red Hot Chili Peppers lyric may be replaced with "Red Hot! Red Hot Chili Peppers!" with no noticeable effect on quality.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 10 April 2003 19:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

No noticable effect? The lyrics would make more sense I'd imagine.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Thursday, 10 April 2003 23:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think my biggest problem with the RHCP is I'm just do damn bored with their "story." I mean, granted: it's a great saga of snatching victory back from the jaws of defeat.....sorta, but y'know, YAWN! Isn't everybody tired of hearing about their struggles and triumphs over heroin addiction? Isn't everyone tired of their soulful introspection? I know I fuckin' am.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 10 April 2003 23:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

"By The Way," the only RHCP album I know, is to Love what Interpol is to Echo & The Bunnymen. Right down to the flamenco track. Or maybe RHCP is now REM's "Radio Song" done RIGHT. I dunno. But within the bloated 16-song album is a great 10 song one. Here's how I cut it on my CD player. I don't get why pleasant songs by, to quote Christgau, new age sex maniacs bother people so much. I guess pleasant rap-rock is peanut butter on pizza for some. Keidis's goofiness, for me, is what makes listening to them unique experience and keeps it from getting too serious.

By The Way
Universally Speaking
This Is The Place
Dosed
The Zephyr Song
Can't Stop
Cabron
On Mercury
Minor Thing
Venice Queen

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 11 April 2003 20:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

I guess pleasant rap-rock is peanut butter on pizza for some.

See, the problem is how we're defining 'pleasant.' ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 April 2003 20:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Give it away give it away give it away now

Mike Myers walking like he talkin

Understand I don't wanna be a dorkwad

How come everybody wanna keep it like Lord Farquaad

Give it away give it away give it away now

Auf Der Martini (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 16:19 (one year ago) link

I really like Flea’s playing on higher ground, it sounds like he’s climbing a stairmaster

not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 16:20 (one year ago) link

"Under the Bridge" is for sure about Shrek"
you're right. under sheck's bridge you find shrek's mud pool

CerebralCaustic, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 23:59 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-H_nGieMMA

i had never seen this video before and omg i love it

ivy., Wednesday, 29 May 2024 17:46 (six days ago) link

That first five or six years they were really just a bunch of dudes rapping about being weirdos and friendship

The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 17:53 (six days ago) link

Weird, I must have seen it because I had repeatedly checked out Positive Mental Octopus from my local video store. The only thing that seemed familiar was dayglo Anthony singing into the camera around 2:30

peace, man, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 18:03 (six days ago) link

that song is so terrible. maybe even mtv realized how bad it was and didn't play it a lot. they used to play true men don't kill coyotes a lot on mtv. which is a better song. but still worse than any bow wow wow song ever recorded.

scott seward, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 18:14 (six days ago) link

I've always wanted to dress up in costume as the radioactive chili pepper farmer from the True Men Don't Kill Coyotes music video, except that I can't think of an occasion to wear it that wouldn't require tedious amounts of explaining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC3j1pNXhSU

peace, man, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 18:23 (six days ago) link

I like all the RHCP stuff through Mother’s Milk, especially Uplift. Fight Like a Brave has never been one of my favorites of that era though but I’d never seen the video, thanks for posting, was a fun time.

Slim is an Alien, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 18:29 (six days ago) link

I have often wondered if their penchant for wacky costumes and antics and the low production value of their early music videos created a significant Nickelodeon-to-RHCP pipeline.

peace, man, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 18:30 (six days ago) link

The Fight Like A Brave video is so much worse than I remember and I remember it being terrible

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 18:33 (six days ago) link

I never realized it until now but it really feels like a west coast response to Licensed To Ill. Goofy antics, costumes, call-and-response rapping, big drums, shreddy guitar solos...

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 18:39 (six days ago) link

lol Fight like A Brave video is weirdo goofball “Beat It” and if you are not on board with that vibe then idk how to help you <3

also i like this song? it’s dumb & fun

I definitely now in my old age prefer their pre-BloodSugarSexMagik output

i still love a lot of songs from BSSM & Californication & later albums too, but i primarily now enjoy the dumb weirdo vibes of their 80’s stuff so much more

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 18:53 (six days ago) link

I definitely now in my old age prefer their pre-BloodSugarSexMagik output

I was a big fan of their first five albums. Saw them live several times shortly before and immediately after Mother's Milk. Literally stopped listening after "Give It Away"; never even made it to side 2 of my BloodSugarSexMagik cassette, and never listened to any album after that.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 19:11 (six days ago) link

What was Hillel like as a performer?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 19:13 (six days ago) link

Never saw them with Hillel; all the shows I saw (April 1989, New Brunswick, NJ; July 1989, L.A.; and October 1989, NYC) were with baby John.

https://www.rhcplivearchive.com/show/apr-1989-new-brunswick-nj-2070

https://www.rhcplivearchive.com/show/jul-11-1989-los-angeles-ca-1170

https://www.rhcplivearchive.com/show/oct-27-1989-new-york-city-ny-1218

FTR, the July show is listed to history as a "Benefit for Father's Rights" but the sign outside the club that night read "Benefit to Pay Norwood's Alimony."

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 19:27 (six days ago) link

literally a boys' club
lol

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 19:33 (six days ago) link

Norwood Fisher from Fishbone?

bbq, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 20:01 (six days ago) link

I saw them with Hillel twice - '86, '87. He was phenomenal. I remember he had a lot of guitar pedals and he was always locking into these funk riffs that would get hypnotic. Slight of build, but had a manic presence and chops that drew your attention.

Josefa, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 20:10 (six days ago) link

I remember reading about the Father's Rights benefit in some magazine back then. Possibly Thrasher. May have been the first place I heard of the Chi Peps.

peace, man, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 20:21 (six days ago) link

What was Hillel like as a performer?

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, May 29, 2024 3:13 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

He’ll play a little guitar, sing a few blues
He’s the kind-a-guy that you can’t refuse
Despite the fact that he’s no brute
He’s the skinny sweaty man in the green suit

Strike the magic groove make him jerk and move
Like an eight legged freak in snake skin boots
Coming soon to a theatre near you
It’s the skinny sweaty man in the green suit

The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 20:27 (six days ago) link

i saw them doing a couple songs on some late night fundraiser for local TV in Los Angeles late 80's and when it was done the host had no idea what just happened. it was amazing to me as a kid.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 20:33 (six days ago) link

then at some point years later KROQ would play them every hour and it wasn't so cool anymore

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 20:35 (six days ago) link

At this point, the original 10-song 1983 demo with Hillel and Jack might be the best Pep ever. Nine of the tracks were on Out in L.A. (now OOP), and kind of wish they would just drop a remastered version on a cassette

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqsni052XnfHTm_0m2E6ygSkvYxc4Fd6L

The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 20:36 (six days ago) link

Actually I have no idea if it's actually out of print, but it's "not on streaming services" for whatever that's worth

The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 20:37 (six days ago) link

Out In LA was a budget CD bin staple for years. I think it has been broken up and the tracks were added to expanded versions of the relevant albums.


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