Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

Dan to thread!

At least it's not as bad as Gwen 'n' Moby though.

Further to your question about Dave Matthew’s Band I will attempt to explain why people generally don’t like them and also why these people do not tend to like people who like DMB.

The normal complaint that is levelled at DMB is that they are boring. In this context boring means that they conform (and this is an important word), and their music conforms, to ordinary well worn structures (personally: gruff male archetypes, drummer, bassist, guitarist, singer – normal band structure; musically: verse chorus verse, like say ordinary, eg, Meatloaf songs of the 1970s – dirge is a word which comes up often) made with well worn sounds (over-emoting, brillo-pad vocals, which is to say it sounds like he has nodules on his vocal cords and so sounds a bit rough, like his voice has been sand-papered – trad is another word which comes up). People conflate these two conceptions of ‘ordinary’ (sounds and structures) found in the band’s music with the band’s image to help them paint the band as super-ordinary. Essentially, they are aggressively normal.

(I guess one of the reasons people dislike people who like DMB is for this subscription to aggressive normalness: they perceive that they DMB fans haven’t made a conscious choice because they perceive that they aren’t questioning and that they are automatons.)

Also, Mrs Sinker, a large deal of the antipathy towards DMB fans is brought along to the table by the fact that the people who, statistically, turn out to be DMB fans are also of a group that ‘us’ people don’t like: jocks. So again there is a conflation of images. We end up merging jocks and DMB fans, attributing DMB fans with jock characteristics and vice versa and obviously this bleeds into our perception of the band because at some point or other people forget how to dissociate band from fan. And it doesn’t really help when DM looks like a fan of DMB.

A part of the anger is frustration that music which is similar but slightly ‘better’ (ie different, newer guitar music which isn’t re-tracing old routes, bands with silly names like Man or Astroman? Oxes [note: not Oxen, and no definite article], Shellac) doesn’t get the audience – this is fed by a belief that the DMB fans haven’t listened to our bands and that if they did they would like them. It’s a sort of distrust because we think that they’ve heard DMB liked them alright and thought we don’t need any more music in our life so stopped there. If this is true then it would display a value that we do not know how to handle as of yet: (1) there is an endpoint to music absorption and (2) there is an endpoint to a questing attitude.

Now, I know your son is fond of ‘have fun starting arguments’ which is in direct quarrel with number (2) there so if he can verify that that is part of the distrust and if he’s willing to say it is valid distrust then we might have nailed DMB fans a little, but of course we can’t cast them all into this giant great swirling vortex. Also, it would still leave the problem of finding reasons to hate the band.

I hope this clears some of the trouble you were experiencing up Mrs Sinker. Please pass my regards onto your son.

Yours sincerely,

Dh.

I believe that "The Maker" is Daniel Lanois' song, sometimes called "Eyes of the Maker." The Jerry Garcia Band used to do a lovely version of it.

i also have no time for any of DMB, SR, or GYBE!, which puts me in the same league as Ned. why waste yer time on crap?

Oh. In that case the DMB suck ass and you're all justified in hating them.

hehehe...I demand Alex in NYC posts to this thread!

''Open your minds to the genius of Meredith and Dave Matthews.''

TROLL!

Ontological Crises Anonymous to thread!

I'm way too tired, achey and hungover to respond to this properly, but surely the opinions of a zealous DMB fan are moot anyway, right?

In any case, FUCK YOU, you squirming, corpse-felching MAGGOT!

I was only joking (and this is a 'joke' around these boards).

actually I should have just asked: why do u think DMB is way better than say, ''all indie rock''?

alex in NYC's ans is very pretty.

flash foward to the present day....

somebody started a thread about the Dave Matthews Band. And it was flamed by hordes of DMB Fans...I fear that sometimes soon an "Alex in NYC"-esque DMB fan will begin posting early and often every day, until he becomes the Most Active Poster. And he will post photos of DMB in every thread...and the DMB Fan will demand that we all "Honour the..." (whatever it DMB fans honour) and the world will become a much darker and more horrid place.

(Note to the real Alex in NYC: I'm not busting your nut, I'd *genuinely prefer* a KJ fan over a DMB fan for the post of "most fanatical ILM poster.)

those are incorrect generalizations of "ILMers".

As for majors vs indie. Its irrelevant these days. It depends on what sort of deal they get. Space were on an 'indie' and got shafted didnt they? Im sure theres many other incidents. Indie labels are as likely to be run by greedy bastards as a major.(with some exceptions obviously)

Check that out DMB fans..

Bongos?! Didn't Carter play the bongos at Yoshii's on 5-10-95? Or was that Crater?

Yup.

DMB fans aren't like Jehova's Witnesses

I like the idea of fans of any band riding around on bikes like the Mormons, winning people over via house to house visits.

To be fair, Sarah, you're quite correct in general. You like them and that's what matters, and you shouldn't care what anyone else thinks. But like it or not, other people will have their opinions on the matter and will disagree with you on them if that's what they feel. That's the way things work. From where you're standing, those others are not 'right,' but they're not wrong either.