How many fans of this album have since recanted?
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 March 2011 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link
1. Alfred, Lord Sotosyn2.
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Friday, 4 March 2011 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I was firmly, joyously, unyieldingly in the hate column, ilxor.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 March 2011 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
For a second I thought this was the REM thread and my head was spinning.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 March 2011 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link
i have such high hopes that in 9 years we'll be looking back on this decade and marveling how much better hip hop got than this album, with or without Kanye's help
― Rovi Wade (some dude), Friday, 4 March 2011 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link
but who will break it to SFJ?
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 March 2011 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link
ha i know sorry
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Friday, 4 March 2011 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think this album is supposed to be a benchmark album for the genre... or is it? It's a good album but not precisely innovative or influential imho.
― Moka, Friday, 4 March 2011 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link
It had a spectral influence on certain critics.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 March 2011 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link
but who will break it to SFJ? SFJ, Rolling Stone, Pitchfork, PopMatters, EW, XXL, The Independent, and every other critical institution that has already inducted MBDTMDTBMFDMBTFBMFTDTMF into the canon?
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Friday, 4 March 2011 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Fucking hideous mess.
― lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 4 March 2011 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Since this is hardly the first time a later album by an established artist has been hailed as an immediate classic, there's no reason to believe anyone will have to recant or "remove" it from the canon. As I kinda said upthread, you just put My Aim Is True in the Top 100 Of All Time a few years later and ignore that you gave a higher rating to Imperial Bedroom when it came out.
― da croupier, Friday, 4 March 2011 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
the canon is established over time, not by immediate reviews - by definition MBDTF is not canon yet
ideally in 9 years the very idea of the canon will have been destroyed, though
― lex pretend, Friday, 4 March 2011 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Talking Heads Pazz'n'jop Placements: 77 (#7, 170 points), More Songs About Buildings And Food (#5, 317 points), Fear Of Music (#4, 620 points), Remain In Light (#3, 863 points), Speaking In Tongues (#3, 746 points), Little Creatures (#1, 1078 points)
It's not like anyone had to answer for this.
― da croupier, Friday, 4 March 2011 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
so were talking heads getting better, or was music getting worse....?
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Friday, 4 March 2011 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Critics were getting older.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 March 2011 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
well you could say the same about kanye's status xpost
― da croupier, Friday, 4 March 2011 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
and Leon's getting LARGER
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8NFF04Yfm2E/R1GuOg5Z01I/AAAAAAAAAK4/jQMWlrJpwgI/s320/johnny.jpg
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 March 2011 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
so appalled really is an amazingly terrible song. rivals jay's monster verse for lowpoint of this
― johnny crunch, Friday, 4 March 2011 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
wtf, i like that one...
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Friday, 4 March 2011 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
just in terms of songs that plain don't work, nothing really beats out "Dark Fantasy", although the verses on "All of the Lights" rival it.
Still think both the hate and the love are overblown; this is basically a decent Kanye album with a couple of great songs on it released in a year where most high profile music was out-and-out garbage.
― goth barbershop quartet (DJP), Friday, 4 March 2011 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
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― Gunther World Press, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 14:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I hope the Muppet MONSTER video gets a mention.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link
glad someone else got the first response in before i said "I WILL SLIT YOUR THROAT YOU FUCKING KRAUT" or something
― some dude, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 14:19 (thirteen years ago) link
woah.. in that case, me too!
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 14:20 (thirteen years ago) link
cool now i can finally read the whole thread without crashing my browser
― save a tree, write a twitter (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^inappropriate display name/post combos
we pour one out for kl0pper -- wherever you are, i hope 'graduation' is there pleasing yeh
^this has to be the dedication/epigraph
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link
"ope the Muppet MONSTER video gets a mention."
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― Gunther World Press, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
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― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
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― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
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― Moka, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link
remember when this was the album with no singles? anyway, i think "all of the lights" would've had potential of a classic stadium song if the verses weren't so bad/self-centered
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 31 March 2011 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link
somethin' wrongi hold my headclassic? nomy verses bad
― hey ilxor, thanks for contributing, glad you stopped by (ilxor), Thursday, 31 March 2011 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― bernard snowy, Thursday, 31 March 2011 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
ilxor otm
― dayo technology (some dude), Thursday, 31 March 2011 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
they closed down the two borders i used to go to :(
― markers, Thursday, 31 March 2011 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link
ha yeah that lyric feels like a period piece
― dayo technology (some dude), Thursday, 31 March 2011 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link
"All of the Lights" becoming a pretty big radio hit is a little surprising (although unless it makes a big Hot 100 surge this'll still be the first Kanye album with no top 10 hit), but a few months ago i started hearing "Live Your Life" on the radio ALL THE TIME again as a recurrent and in that context it makes sense that a retarded cousin of that song like "Lights" would do well.
― dayo technology (some dude), Thursday, 31 March 2011 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
"all of the lights" >>>>>>> "live your life"
― hey ilxor, thanks for contributing, glad you stopped by (ilxor), Thursday, 31 March 2011 21:48 (thirteen years ago) link
lol ship i had the same experience w/ "live your life" -- i was very puzzled
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 31 March 2011 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
i know isn't it weird!
― dayo technology (some dude), Thursday, 31 March 2011 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
on the other hand it was better than having to hear the singles off the new t.i. album
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 31 March 2011 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I still feel like "Lost In The World" could be a hit. possibly needs a remix or something; but the hook is so catchy and singalong-ready! and the beat is mad-propulsive, like some shit from a car commercial or before a sporting event starts. GIVE ME ONE GOOD REASON this hasn't happened yet?!
― bernard snowy, Thursday, 31 March 2011 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link
(bon iver backlash)
yeah i think i said this somewhere way upthread but "lost in the world" is the only song i can remotely imagine doing well as a single besides the 4 tracks announced as singles before the album's release
― dayo technology (some dude), Thursday, 31 March 2011 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i thought "paranoid" would be a big hit too tho
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 31 March 2011 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe Lil B will remake it and have a hit
"Based In BasedWorld"
― bernard snowy, Thursday, 31 March 2011 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I still feel like "Lost In The World" could be a hit. possibly needs a remix or something
it's basically ALREADY a remix of a Bon Iver track, tho, isnt it?
― hey ilxor, thanks for contributing, glad you stopped by (ilxor), Thursday, 31 March 2011 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, considering the original is just one line repeated ad infinitum, it's a bit more than a remix.
― Number None, Thursday, 31 March 2011 22:09 (thirteen years ago) link