There was a really good web page with all the NME cassette details on, but I can't find it.
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 May 2006 09:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― naturemorte (naturemorte), Thursday, 25 May 2006 09:25 (eighteen years ago) link
Links/info on this one.
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 May 2006 09:25 (eighteen years ago) link
That said, I've never owned a copy of the tape and think I only listened to it once.
― Jeff W (zebedee), Thursday, 25 May 2006 09:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 May 2006 09:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Thursday, 25 May 2006 09:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 25 May 2006 09:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― I Hate You Little Girls (noodle vague), Thursday, 25 May 2006 09:40 (eighteen years ago) link
baby bird?
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Thursday, 25 May 2006 09:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― I Hate You Little Girls (noodle vague), Thursday, 25 May 2006 09:44 (eighteen years ago) link
xpost - naturemorte - it was the Cecil Taylor album he was really commenting on - it was a pretty leftfield Cecil Taylor album and one which I didn't play again for about 10 years. Now, of course, up against, say, Merzbow, sounds a bit tame. Although not as tame as C86...
― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Thursday, 25 May 2006 09:48 (eighteen years ago) link
This weren't on C86, but maybe it shoulda been:Wolfhounds - Anti-Midas Touch
― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 25 May 2006 09:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 May 2006 09:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 25 May 2006 09:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 25 May 2006 09:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― I Hate You Little Girls (noodle vague), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:04 (eighteen years ago) link
(Was that 'eastern bloc'? Something tells me no.)
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:16 (eighteen years ago) link
I haven't looked at dissensus in a couple of months, TBH. Am I missing owt?
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:20 (eighteen years ago) link
Ha ha Marcello - no, I think that was later, and what a joy that is...
I've searched high and low for a list of NME cassettes...if anyone comes across one can they post the link here?
There was a hardware store in Afflecks Palace?
― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― Bidfurd (Bidfurd), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:28 (eighteen years ago) link
the Miaow and Lemon Drops tracks are also personal favourites. the Mighty Mighty track hasn't aged well, makes them sound like dirty old men.
c81 listing: NME/Rough Trade C81 (the irony)c86 listing: http://www.twee.net/misc/release.htm?key=nmec86c96 listing: http://www.gracenote.com/music/album.html/genblues/b8c3d30f2e0e0ec8d2c19bc0db04c1ed.html
― koogy wonderland (koogs), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:33 (eighteen years ago) link
well this was the implication in my crappy post way up there - as most folks of my ongoing constant plugging to get AOC back on the racks via a reissue campaign (ageofchance.com) - or so i thought.
but yes in case i was being too subtle - the AOC track fucking rules it.
― mark e (mark e), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:40 (eighteen years ago) link
Also I think C86 is the only place you can get that version of Breaking Lines - the version on Truck Train Tractor 12" is different.
― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― Venga (Venga), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― Twitchety Twitch Manic Toy System (Bimble...), Saturday, 27 May 2006 07:34 (eighteen years ago) link
sanctuary are to release a 2 cd set to coincide with the 20th annivversary.
the cd86 comp will be released in oct (track lsiting below) primal scream - velocity girl the servants - the sun a small star hurrah - around and around the loft - why does the rain east village - vibrato the sea urchins - pristine christine the siddeleys - what went wrong this time another sunny day - anorak city the clouds - get out of my dream the boy hairdressers - golden shower the chesterfields - ask johnny dee the raw herbs - he's blown in laugh - paul mccartney the hit parade - you didn't love me then the weather prophets - like frankie lymon the june brides - sunday to saturday the dentists - i had an excellent dream mighty mighty - everybodys knows the monkey bmx bandits - e102 talulah gosh - talulah gosh the jasmine minks - cut me deep razorcuts - i'll still be there the bodines - therese tv personalities - paradise estate
disc two
the jesus and mary chain - upside down primitives - really stupid the groove farm - it always rains on sunday pop will eat itself - black country chainsaw massacre 14 iced bears - come get me fizzbombs - sign on the line the wolfhounds - anti midas touch the wedding present - this boy can wait age of chance - bible of the beats shop assistants - safety net close lobsters - just too bloody stupid half man half biscuit - dukla prague away kit meat whiplash - don't slip up the flatmates - i could be in heaven the darling buds - if i said this poison - poised over the pause button the bachelor pad - jack and julian the pooh sticks - on tape the revolving paint dream - flowers are in the sky the soup dragons - whole wide world mccarthy - frans hals the mighty lemon drops - like an angel big flame - why popstars can't dance the pastels - baby honey
― mark e (mark e), Monday, 4 September 2006 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 4 September 2006 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 4 September 2006 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link
(this is not a complaint)
― Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Monday, 4 September 2006 15:07 (seventeen years ago) link
Only sold mine last year.
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 4 September 2006 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link
Yeah I have virtually all of it already (the only bands I don't know are Raw Herbs and Laugh). Add Take The Subway To Your Suburb to your list and you're done.
― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 4 September 2006 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― NickB (NickB), Monday, 4 September 2006 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― keyth (keyth), Monday, 4 September 2006 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― keyth (keyth), Monday, 4 September 2006 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 4 September 2006 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link
M Carlin is right: no Bogshed, but Darling Blunts present? How fucking high/stupid would you have to be to dig that?
― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link
I have 2 Bogshed records, I'd have rather put them on there than, say, Mighty Lemon Drops, but there you go.
― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 4 September 2006 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link
for more AOC insight into the whole C86 groove :
http://ireallylovemusic.co.uk/interviews/irlm_vs_aoc.html
shameless i know, but hey, it is relevant.
― mark e (mark e), Monday, 4 September 2006 18:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sundar (sundar), Monday, 4 September 2006 19:02 (seventeen years ago) link
In response to a request above, there's full tracklistings of the NME tapes of the 80s, from C81 all the way to Indie City (1988), at the following:
http://bazooka81.livejournal.com/
Includes artwork and commentary on each tape.
― Steve W, Thursday, 23 August 2007 07:28 (sixteen years ago) link
That's a great page.
Some illuminations, some opinions you may or may not violently dis/agree with, but it's a useful way of finding out (for me, anyway), which ones I missed.
"I dreamed I was Elvis" is a great title, but boy wha a lousy sleeve. Was "design-generic" the byword for a while?
― Mark G, Thursday, 23 August 2007 10:14 (sixteen years ago) link
nme vs 1987 summed up here :
http://www.creation-records.com/classic-interviews1-baby-amphetamine/
― mark e, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 23:17 (eight years ago) link
Don't agree with that post in any way but think it's refering to DIY cassette culture - the C81 cassette as a product, rather than it's contents?
Oh right, well in that case maybe the Door and the Window or 49 Americans (or whoever) should have taken preference over James Blood Ulmer. As far as I can see, the movement in question seemed to be the movement of artists involved with Rough Trade in some capacity or other.
― Demeraray & Essequebo (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 23:19 (eight years ago) link
haha-yeah. Particularly since Linx and the Specials were replaced by Panther Burns and TV Personalities in the reissue.
An interesting theory about C86 is that it was part of the "hip-hop wars" at the NME. A handful of their writers who mostly were into post-punk indie guitar stuff wanted to try to carve out a scene separate from where the general editorial direction of the paper. So that would have precluded Baby Amphetamine presumably.
― everything, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 23:23 (eight years ago) link
An interesting theory about C86 is that it was part of the "hip-hop wars" at the NME. A handful of their writers who mostly were into post-punk indie guitar stuff wanted to try to carve out a scene separate from where the general editorial direction of the paper.
i would suggest that this was the core of the hip hop wars.at the time, i was a young country boy with no access to NYC 12" records, but somehow, the nme made me excited and connected to the scene, and i loved their coverage of this new world.that and the electro/street sounds compilations.hence why this boxset is fucked up. if the compilers genuinely believe that this is the natural conclusion to c86.i mean, and yes, i have to do this, look at age of chance.in 86, they were clearly part of the c86 scene with their shambolic early releases.whereas by 87, they along with others, had moved on, and were making music that reflected the new era with record label stretching demands.but this boxset does little to reflect that change.(and yeah, the presence of a brilliantly bonkers GBOA track does not count !)
― mark e, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 23:38 (eight years ago) link
yes, there's a few great, under-appreciated songs/bands on here: GBOA, Bachelor Pad, Great Leap Forward. There's also a lot of stuff that I'm fine with but totally over-compiled.We need a moritorium on any rerelease of "Ask Johnny Dee", "Get Out of My Dream", "Pristine Christine" and the like.
Then there's so much stuff that's just terrible LOL.
― everything, Thursday, 11 February 2016 00:21 (eight years ago) link
Feels like the idea that this stuff never went anywhere and doesn't matter has turned around since this thread was started. Not the Ron Jonson/Bogshed stuff but the indie/60s/punk hybrids. So many of the young local bands here talk about that stuff, and emulate the sound and aesthetics. The music is now accessible and festivals like indietracks and Popfest are giving the original bands motivation to reform.
There's dozens of undiscovered gems waiting to be compiled (plus lots of trash of course). I wish someone would do more crate digging and compiling from the 1984-1988 period.
― everything, Friday, 28 April 2017 19:18 (seven years ago) link
Are you aware of the excellent Cherry Red box sets: C86 (3CD), C87 (3CD) and the forthcoming C88 (3CD)? Also, there's a 5 disc set called "Scared To Get Happy" which really digs deeply into this area.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 28 April 2017 19:20 (seven years ago) link
Yes, I trashed them upthread LOL. No, I'm actually okay with them other than the repetition of bands and tracks. It's like if the Pretty Things and the Standells had to be included on every Nuggets/Pebbles etc compilation. No, they're on the first one and after that it's one-off releases by bands you've never heard of. The compilers compete to find tracks that haven't been comped. With this stuff it's as if there's only two CDs worth of good stuff and after that you have to move on to the post-Sarah Records era.
― everything, Friday, 28 April 2017 19:32 (seven years ago) link
Also more digging into unreleased stuff by the well-known bands. With the difficulty of producing and releasing records back then there's tons of recordings that have never seen the light of day. I know there's mid-80s stuff from the prehistory of Teenage Fanclub, Vaselines, Bachelor Pad, etc or radio sessions and the like that aren't available.
― everything, Friday, 28 April 2017 19:44 (seven years ago) link
Ah, good point, especially radio sessions. I imagine the legalities are an issue there, but looking at the "Keeping It Peel" site there's TONS of one-off band sessions that I'm sure have a killer cut contained within them.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 29 April 2017 03:58 (seven years ago) link
New book on C86 coming out on 18th August, preceded by a Guardian interview with the author.
Reel lives: how I tracked down the class of NME’s C86 album
― Portsmouth Bubblejet, Monday, 8 August 2022 11:29 (one year ago) link
The book's a fun read. Cool to read retrospective article of the sort that Mojo etc do for more major artists but obviously would never touch 90% of this lot. He interviews at least one person, usually more, from each band. It's a bit like the tape - some chapters are stand-outs, some are forgettable. The more successful artists tend to be a bit boring while the ones who never went anywhere have their own story to tell. The Stump chapter is very good, Bogshed and Miaow also. I enjoyed the McCarthy, Close Lobsters & Wolfhounds chapters too, since these are the records that stand up nowadays in my opinion, plus the interviewees are interesting. If you have any interest in these bands you have to read this.
The Pastels chapter is a favourite, not because of Stephen Pastel, who's life has the appearance of being completely uneventful and static for three decades. It's because of their former drummer Berniece Simpson effortlessly skewering Pastel (who we find out fired the original band via a lawyer's letter) by having a very successful and happy non-musical career and family, and very pointedly defining her decade as an indie musician as a young person's game.
― everything, Monday, 23 January 2023 21:11 (one year ago) link
pricing an Eton Crop record from 1987 (Yes, Please Bob) and in their Discogs bio they call them a "pre-C86" band and lump them in with the Membranes and The Three Johns and it all makes sense i guess but i don't think i'd ever heard of a group of bands being called that. not exactly arbitrary. all people with the Mekons in their veins.
― scott seward, Friday, 11 August 2023 21:04 (nine months ago) link
mekons very much relevant to all three - langford played on a couple of membranes ablums and i think did the sleeve to the eton crop record
― NickB, Friday, 11 August 2023 21:39 (nine months ago) link
i think i want to like those kind of bands more than i do. they are missing that langford je nais se quois despite his input. but maybe i just haven't found the right one for me. i never play membranes records when i get them in.
― scott seward, Friday, 11 August 2023 21:41 (nine months ago) link
yeah i've never been totally into their stuff tbh. veeing off at a tangent but that eton crop album always make me think of this album by the welsh band fflaps (both covers reference the same long-running uk tv quiz show, blockbusters):https://www.discogs.com/release/2060127-Fflaps-Malltod
more of a dog-faced hermans vibe though and it totally rules:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghiTVUTlDvA
― NickB, Friday, 11 August 2023 21:46 (nine months ago) link
wow love that! that name is totally ringing a bell. totally get the DFH vibe too. i love DFH beyond reason.
― scott seward, Friday, 11 August 2023 21:57 (nine months ago) link
not really connected, but THIS is an album i really fell for and played 5 times in a row and i'd never heard it until this week! from 1980. where's it been all my life?? they just didn't make it over here. i only remember the later "I'm In Love With A German Film Star" single.
https://i.discogs.com/wxWgUbhbHJ7Ir7sPRPq-unlMBMR4grvkCaTEHw81KO8/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTU3MzIy/MC0xMzUyOTIwODc0/LTg1NDAuanBlZw.jpeg
― scott seward, Friday, 11 August 2023 22:03 (nine months ago) link
fantastic band whose records you can still buy for buttons pretty much. the album with 'german film star' is also great
― NickB, Friday, 11 August 2023 22:15 (nine months ago) link
yeah, i need the other LPs.
― scott seward, Friday, 11 August 2023 22:30 (nine months ago) link
'Oh No, It's You' is the standout for me. I think I bought this album for about a pound in the early 90s. Isn't Robert Smith on it on somewhere on backing vocals?
― Flowersdie, Wednesday, 16 August 2023 01:51 (nine months ago) link
boom, just pulled this out to price. there is your "pre-c86" in a nutshell, no?
https://i.discogs.com/ZeyoMktHl2CY6kPBnE4jZEJykj0gKYPQ7SvQz-JLVyg/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTE3NDE3/MzItMTMwMzczNzM4/NS5qcGVn.jpeg
― scott seward, Thursday, 17 August 2023 14:51 (nine months ago) link
Love Fflaps!
Trying to get my head around this - so like post-punk or proto-indie/jangle pop? I love a ton of that stuff but sometimes the venn diagram circles are almost perfectly overlapping when trying to mentally categorize...
I've been deep diving a lot of 80s early indiepop kind of stuff, was jamming to The Dentists last night for instance.
― But his face would not turn into hot Kirby (Evan), Thursday, 17 August 2023 15:28 (nine months ago) link
xp underrated band on that comp - Rote Kapelle
― Colonel Poo, Thursday, 17 August 2023 20:16 (nine months ago) link
Did Fflaps have a female singer who was going out with Mark the singer from Dandelion Adventure. I think anyway since they were from Preston and Fflaps somewhere in Wales.Just remembering hitching tours in the late 80s and meeting them along the way.
― Stevo, Friday, 18 August 2023 01:44 (nine months ago) link
Was looking for clarification BTW
― But his face would not turn into hot Kirby (Evan), Friday, 18 August 2023 15:22 (nine months ago) link
They were part of the scene that included the Membranees and the bands John Robb writes about in Death To Trad Rock. The one track by them on Spotify is on the compilation cd that tied in with the book. Or at least one of the 2 instances of the same track is.So I think they were in the rockier side of indie and probably had direct roots to punk, though I think they may have been a bit late in the decade for the term post-punk which would possibly fit otherwise.Venn overlap between several different subgenres.
― Stevo, Saturday, 19 August 2023 08:26 (nine months ago) link