you've known anthony long enough that you should be more accepting of his insightful but often reductive quips! (xpost)
― Magill: a gorilla (some dude), Thursday, 13 January 2011 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
i think time has proven this wasn't what was happening with kanye
Kanye the person is not the album 808s and Heartbreaks.
I don't always advocate the "divorce the performer from the music" line of argument but I don't really have a problem doing it here, largely because I think I was maybe one of the few people around here who successfully avoided learning about the minutiae of Kanye's personal life and therefore had no baggage re: the dissolution of his real-life relationship influencing my digestion of the album.
btw, the first post was a total joke and I apologize if it was over the line
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Thursday, 13 January 2011 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link
even if i didn't know he split up with his real long-suffering girlfriend, an album where the character passingly references his own cheating while shrieking about her own crimes before moaning about how cold it is now would still sound like douche central. I wouldn't buy his thrashing around before huffing "I will never love again" meant his ego had actually diminished, let alone dissolve.
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 January 2011 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link
let alone dissolved, I mean. Though my intent in comparing my stance to Alan Alda was to suck some of the piety out of it. I just find it unrewardingly unpleasant, which is a shame cuz a lot of tracks are musically appealing.
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 January 2011 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think he has to demonstrate remorse or end up as a sympathetic character to come across as totally falling apart, which seems to be where we diverge in how we see the album.
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Thursday, 13 January 2011 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Kanye too Punk for Anthony!
― a special freak who falls outside of all (Ioannis), Thursday, 13 January 2011 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah that's it, it's too punk rock
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 January 2011 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Sulking self-pity is often a clear sign of the dissolution and deflation of a massive ego, is the thing
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Thursday, January 13, 2011 8:52 AM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark
disagree, sort of. skulking self-pity (and cheap-shot invective) is what egotistical assholes retreat to, temporarily, when others would reflect, accept and hopefully learn something from the whole ordeal before moving on.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Thursday, 13 January 2011 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
but maybe you're defining "dissolution and deflation" differently than i would...
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Thursday, 13 January 2011 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not defining it as "learns a lesson and becomes a better person", no
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Thursday, 13 January 2011 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
then what you call "the implosion", i'd call "the embittered whining."
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Thursday, 13 January 2011 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link
try listening to the Seeds sometime, dude.
xps
― a special freak who falls outside of all (Ioannis), Thursday, 13 January 2011 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know why the narrator has to come out of the other side a better person in order for 808s to have an appealing story.
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Thursday, 13 January 2011 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link
oh man it's like late december 2008 all over again!
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 13 January 2011 17:38 (thirteen years ago) link
corny rawk dudes luv happy endings.
― a special freak who falls outside of all (Ioannis), Thursday, 13 January 2011 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link
In fairness, the 808s arguments were more interesting than the MBDTF arguments because they were more often about the music than each other.
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Thursday, 13 January 2011 17:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Disney damage!
― a special freak who falls outside of all (Ioannis), Thursday, 13 January 2011 17:40 (thirteen years ago) link
In fairness, the 808s arguments were more interesting than the MBDTF arguments because they were more often about the music than each other 808s was actually an interesting album.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 13 January 2011 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
otm
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Thursday, 13 January 2011 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
― a special freak who falls outside of all (Ioannis), Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:39 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark
hey, i am a corny (fuck that retarded, self-regarding bullshit) rock dude, and i like 808s just fine. but it's really just kanye whining about shit.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Thursday, 13 January 2011 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ feeling crotchety this morning, apparently
I would like to reiterate that I am sorry for being unnecessarily nasty towards da croup; I thought it was obvious I wasn't being serious.
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Thursday, 13 January 2011 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
i figured you were joking about "douche" (though it was still pretty gratuitous after "wimpy sensitive" - alan's not a douche!), but i'm pretty sure you were being serious about chest puffing like "You're smarter than this, at least I would like to think you are" when you followed it with "don't come at me with half-assed rhetoric" and preceded it with a dramatic ellipsis.
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 January 2011 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, yeah, I should have said "can you elaborate on what makes this album an 'implosion'?" rather than "which track?" but still
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 January 2011 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link
that was half-serious; I thought it was a stupid thing to say and intended to communicate that I thought it was a stupid thing to say, but I did so in a manner harsher than I actually felt
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Thursday, 13 January 2011 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
y'all i would like to propose the bold hypothesis that ilm rap threads have been leading to lots of fights lately b/c the poster base is mostly americans and we've all been stuck in our houses thanks to terrible snowstorms. what do u guys think?
― bernard snowy, Thursday, 13 January 2011 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link
because seriously I did not see the DJP/da croup beef coming
― bernard snowy, Thursday, 13 January 2011 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
is it still beef if you've acknowledged you did something wrong and apologized for it?
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Thursday, 13 January 2011 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link
YES DAN IT IS BEEF FROM THE MOMENT YOU EXCHANGE UNFRIENDLY WORDS ON THE INTERNET UNTIL THE DAY ONE OF YOU KILLS THE OTHER
― bernard snowy, Thursday, 13 January 2011 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link
no I dunno
but like you know what I mean — everyone seems to be taking things personally lately?
― bernard snowy, Thursday, 13 January 2011 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
fuck you
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Thursday, 13 January 2011 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link
holy shit dude not you too!
― bernard snowy, Thursday, 13 January 2011 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link
sbangin so hard
― bernard snowy, Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:15 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
nah...goon cru's been sniping at each other like our menstrual cycles are lined up for a while now, and a Kanye clusterfuck thread was inevitable
― Magill: a gorilla (some dude), Thursday, 13 January 2011 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno i'm kinda having a great day. gonna get cable TV hooked up in like an hour.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Thursday, 13 January 2011 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm having a good day too but that doesn't mean i don't wanna rumble on the internet
― bernard snowy, Thursday, 13 January 2011 18:33 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ liar
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Thursday, 13 January 2011 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
you totally want a cuddlestein mountain party, just admit it
am looking forward to catching up on hell of family guy reruns so i can complain more accurately
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Thursday, 13 January 2011 18:35 (thirteen years ago) link
worst ilx beef evah!
― a special freak who falls outside of all (Ioannis), Thursday, 13 January 2011 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
in which direction is cuddlestein mountain party?
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 January 2011 18:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Croup otm about 808s, except that it's not very musically appealing either.
― flutes & fucking mexican death horns (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 January 2011 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link
poppycock!
― a special freak who falls outside of all (Ioannis), Thursday, 13 January 2011 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Are you guys ready yet to search YouTube for the muppets performing Monster? It'll make everyone feel better. But I'm on my phone so can attain no such URL.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 14 January 2011 02:07 (thirteen years ago) link
hawkeye is a stud IMO
― mekka lekka hi mega-hiney hoes (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 January 2011 02:28 (thirteen years ago) link
he was always sexxxing up nurses in the supply room and drinking martinis from their still and playing jokes and shit, way cooler dude than kanye
― mekka lekka hi mega-hiney hoes (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 January 2011 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link
kanyewest: Room service uuuuugh! I hate when I order fruit and I can taste the other food they cut with the same knife. Beef flavored pineapples
― five deadly venoms (San Te), Sunday, 16 January 2011 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Hmmm... Beef flavored pineapples. Possible new album title?
― Moodles, Sunday, 16 January 2011 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
My Beautiful Dark Twisted Beef Flavored Fantasy
― ilxor, Sunday, 16 January 2011 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link