"Down In The Tube Station At Midnight" by The Jam - What Does It Mean?

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Dianne Sealy actually.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 9 September 2004 06:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I feel that 'toffee wrappers' is highly significant.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 9 September 2004 07:31 (nineteen years ago) link

They certainly are if that's all your dressed in (plus the morning paper)

Vasquesz, Thursday, 9 September 2004 07:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, perhaps that contributed to Mr. Jones being run down

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 9 September 2004 07:53 (nineteen years ago) link

"I feel that 'toffee wrappers' is highly significant."

Well, they're a symbol of the attractively eye-catching but ultimately disposable veneer that covers the surface our modern consumer-driven society and conceals the sweetly seductive but ultimately insubstantial product within, which lacks any real nutritional value and ultimately serves only to corrupt and destroy our souls like so many decayed and rotting teeth awaiting the dental care of spiritual enlightenment, obviously....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 9 September 2004 08:00 (nineteen years ago) link

He's in Oxford Circus tube station and unwittingly intercepted a group of fanatical terrorists plotting to blow it up, as fully described on the follow-up "'A' Bomb In Wardour Street."

Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
Plausible, plausible enough... yet I think Weller thinks on many levels. He's subtle, subtle as a fox...

Could the lyric actually be the voice of the narrator, talking to police, trying to excuse his part in a mugging or attempted bombing? In which case, are we to trust the narrator? It could all be an alibi attempt. This raises new and puzzling possibilities.

thee music mole, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 06:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I can only suggest that the police should violently beat a confession out of him immediately - hurrah!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 09:54 (nineteen years ago) link

"Mr Jones was run down".

He needed a vitamin 12 booster. Local news. Don't you love it?

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 10:10 (nineteen years ago) link

He probably wouldn't have had a vitamin deficiency at all if he'd had a healthier, more balanced diet and eaten a bit more fresh fruit and veg, and bit less unheatlthy processed food....

Why if he'd just made a bit more effort to eat a few less takeaway curries - and maybe to pull out a plum just a little bit more often instead - this nutritional disaster might have been avoided!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 10:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I wonder what the policemen said to him? 'Weller, weller, weller, what's all this about then?' Sorry.

thee music mole, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 10:32 (nineteen years ago) link

weller weller weller...huh, tell me more

j travolta (listerine), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
That bit about "they took the keys and she'll think it's me" is a pretty crap piece of doom-mongering. Why will his keys automatically lead our gang of brain-dead bullies to his wife's door to presumably have their vile, gang-banging way with her?

I suppose that he could have his home address on his key-fob. But if he and his wife are that bloody paranoid about things then she's probably going to have a spyhole that she checks every time before opening the door to anyone. And probably electrified door handles to fry any unsuspecting scumbags.

Ken Shinn, Monday, 21 March 2005 14:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Right, cause people getting robbed typically kick back and say "ha, take my keys, all logic dictates that you will never locate my residence, and I am in no state of mind to imagine such distasteful scenar -- wait, wait, could I have my ID back, please? Please??? It's in the wallet pocket. No, no particular reason."

nabiscothingy, Monday, 21 March 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
It may be that the whole thing is a set piece - his wife is involved - and the 'thugs' are out of work actors. He's a rich man who can script whatever sick fantasy he likes. Hence, it may be part of the script that the thugs take the keys.

moley, Tuesday, 17 May 2005 22:20 (nineteen years ago) link

If anyone ever searches for the words "Finest Thread Ever", this one should appear. By rights.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 07:17 (nineteen years ago) link

It's a consensual erotic fantasy and they've hired a special team to help them live it out. Hence 'the smell of brown leather', not to mention 'I first felt a fist'. The wife's in on it - that's why she's pulling out the cork.

moley, Wednesday, 18 May 2005 10:21 (nineteen years ago) link

"The smell of brown leather" - wonder if it smells all that different to other colours of shoe? And if so, surely only a practised fetishist would notice, especially while they were getting their head kicked in?

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 10:27 (nineteen years ago) link

What sort of weather blends in with the smell of brown leather?? Also...there isn't any 'weather' down in tube stations at midnight.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 10:44 (nineteen years ago) link

(x-post) Well, if the husband had given the out-of-work actors detailed instructions about what he wanted done to him, they may have included such specific features as a brown leather, just as another kind of fetishist might have specified red lipstick, black boots or pink gloves.

moley, Wednesday, 18 May 2005 10:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe it's all an elaborate plot to provide the husband with the perfect alibi and an explanation for how a group of assailants were able to gain access to the marital home and murder his wife (thus leaving him free to pursue his interest in asian-rent boys) without there being any signs of forced entry?

Mr. Grout OTfuckin'M: "best thread ever"!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 10:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't help but wonder if Mr. Weller's on t'interweb, and what he'd make of the contents of this thread if he ever read it....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 11:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Weller.. that asshole. Who knows what he was on about. It's no Smithers-Jones, I can tell you that.

bassman (Dave225), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 11:52 (nineteen years ago) link

.. and even now, people are coming up with unseen angles to this multifaceted umm single.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 12:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Aaaah yes, but multifaceted single what, exactly?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 19 May 2005 10:45 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
This song really begs for a Freudian analysis. Ah, but I have not the time.

moley, Thursday, 27 October 2005 01:58 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
You do now, though.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 11 December 2005 00:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Plane crashes were invented for people like 'im.

The Velvet Overlord (The Velvet Overlord), Sunday, 11 December 2005 08:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, twist my arm. Clearly the tube is a metaphor for the consuming mother, the vagina dentata.

moley, Sunday, 11 December 2005 10:11 (eighteen years ago) link

sometimes a tube train is just a tube train

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Sunday, 11 December 2005 13:44 (eighteen years ago) link

And sometimes it's a jar.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 12 December 2005 09:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Except when it's not ajar.

whatever (boglogger), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Nonsensde. When Freud said sometimes a cigar is just a cigar he was denying his own latent homosexual tendencies.

'She'll be lining up the cutlery,
You know she's expecting me'

Here lies a symbolic expression of the author's primal fears of impotence, of not performing in the way his wife expects. 'The wine's gone flat' is another. It would be more honest to say 'my joystick's gone limp'.

moley, Wednesday, 14 December 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Or indeed a state of Oedipal crisis - does he believe that his own wife is "expecting" him as she would "expect" a child?

Harthill Services (Neil Willett), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, it's becoming clear now - the song is actually about fear of the female reproductive system. Driven by castration anxiety (for what purpose does his wife / mother "line up the cutlery"?), he assumes a nightmarish foetal identity (as well as a foetal position).

He doesn't want to go "down in the tube station" - the birth canal?

His horror of being unmanned before, or enclosed within, the female body is matched only by his terror of the gynaecologists and obstetricians - probably women, too - who heckle and harass him within the womb ("hey boy"); particularly those in private practice ("have you got any money"), and whom he metaphorically depicts as a gang of male muggers (their *surgical* scrubs being translated into "*Wormwood* Scrubs").

Harthill Services (Neil Willett), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:24 (eighteen years ago) link

The male muggers incorporate an unacceptable unconscious wish to be violated by a male figure, in my view, as a punishment for self-abuse (the vending machine is clearly a metaphor for masturbation - pull out a plum indeed). It's quite a homoerotic song. The desire to be beaten by a male is an unconscious wish to expiate guilt, while, characteristically, incorporating the unacceptable wish - actual passive violation - within the punishment itself. It's worth noting at this point that 'curry' is English vernacular - 'give it some curry' means 'shove it really hard'.

moley (moley), Thursday, 15 December 2005 01:08 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I think what's been missed here is that the term "right-wing" in the line "too many right-wing meetings" is undefined.

We have to remember that this song was recorded in the General Election year of 1979. Therefore, a lot of active Conservative parliamentary groups would have been meeting frequently to plan Mrs. Thatcher's election campaign.

I therefore suspect that the assailants, rather than being National Front, are tired, irrascible members of the Conservative Backbench 1922 Committee, who are letting out the frustrations of endless meetings on polling strategies, tax-and-spend policies, anti-union laws etc. by beating up a harmless passer by.

The tragedy is that if Weller had been less coy about identifying these assailants, the resulting scandal might have fatally damaged the Tory election campaign, with the possibility of us being spared the predations of monetary economics.

To conclude: It's because of that cunt Weller we no longer have a steel industry.

PhilK, Saturday, 15 September 2007 14:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Appendix 4 is now written!

Mark G, Sunday, 16 September 2007 21:09 (sixteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

This thread cheers me up like nothing else. it's got to the stage where i giggle when i see Weller records in used bins

sonofstan, Thursday, 8 May 2008 23:11 (sixteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...

The all-enclosing womb metaphorised as 'the tube' - the sense of entrapment by and within the smothering female - I think we have hardly touched upon this matter.

moley, Friday, 6 June 2008 00:14 (fifteen years ago) link

New People!

This is the ""Down In The Tube Station At Midnight" by The Jam - What Does It Mean?" thread.

Read All, and smile.

Mark G, Friday, 6 June 2008 09:39 (fifteen years ago) link

four months pass...

Revive! I've just done a phone interview with Bruce Foxton, during the course of which I took him to task about some of the more troubling lines.

He has no idea what Weller meant by "I pulled out a plum", and has been puzzling over it for years.

The maximum quota of right wing meetings that one might reasonably attend before picking up their distinctive odour: "Not even one."

And he thinks that the wine might have been a Lambrusco. (He tried palming me off with the "flat" = "stale" argument, but I persisted.)

I hope this helps.

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 11:50 (fifteen years ago) link

this thread! holy shitbags what a joy.

CharlieNo4, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 12:15 (fifteen years ago) link

but he pulls out a plum "behind me" when he's put the coin in the machine, which is presumably in front of him?

Dr X O'Skeleton, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:01 (fifteen years ago) link

No, it's his assailants who are behind him, not the plum

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:03 (fifteen years ago) link

I always thought the line was "too many right wing beatings", not meetings.

Joe the C.R.E.E.P. Operative (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:27 (fifteen years ago) link

No, it's his assailants who are behind him, not the plum

― Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 16:03 (44 minutes ago)

That's not how it sounds on the record. It's all very well be clever with the commas on the lyric sheet Mr Weller.
I've always puzzled about where that plum got pulled from myself
it was a troubling part of my youth

Dr X O'Skeleton, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Best thread ever.

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 22:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Once we're done with this thread, I think Oasis's 'Wonderwall' could use some of our expert analysis too.

moley, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 23:10 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...

OK, so let's give Bruce Foxton the right of reply here:

http://troubled-diva.com/brucetube.mp3

I did my best!

mike t-diva, Friday, 5 December 2008 17:16 (fifteen years ago) link


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