Jazz GUITAR poll

how could you not love this man??

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/279167/Pat+Metheny+Russian+River+Jazz+Festival+20.jpg

I enjoy Orchestrion. The title track is the most ambitious musically but it's all good if you like Metheny's style. My gf thinks much of it sounds like lounge music fwiw. I think the compositional craft and attention to orchestration distinguish it though.

Saw a picture of your guitar teacher in the Jimmy Heath autobio which I think I'm going to need to read. Although I probably will read Scott LaFaro bio first.

Nice. I've been increasingly loving his playing on Ego lately.

I may have told you this before, but if you want to hear a really concise and incredibly tasty Ted solo, check out Fat Mouth on Lou Donaldson - Pretty Things.

Hurting, our pal Junior has been playing this week at the Jazz Standard with his dad and an awesome band featuring Peter Bernstein and Larry Goldings. I went to the late show yesterday and tonight is the last night so, um,...

Gah, this would have been a great week to go except tonight is terrible because my wife is about to fly out of the country tonight and I'm taking her to the airport.

Too bad you missed it.

Looking through the Jimmy Heath book and I see that he briefly mentions Ted D as somebody he knew from Jazzmobile. He also appears in "Appendix A: Unique Names," which is an incredibly long list of nicknames assigned by the Heath Brothers to other musicians, as "Texas Ted."

Barry Galbraith

I forgot that two people actually voted for Freddie Green. That's a great challops but in a way sort of right opinion to have.

Yeah, there's challops and then there's challops. I like reading the various articles on Freddie Green's comping style where they debate how many notes he actually played in a chord.

http://www.freddiegreen.org/technique/mp_quotes.html

Have any new Ted Dunbar recordings been unearthed lately?

A lot in his discography I'd like to track down:

http://www.jazzdiscography.com/Artists/Dunbar/td-disc.htm

Our friend Junior might have his mom's copy of that first LP, but I don't know what good that is going to do you.

Yesterday was the birthday of the first man ever to record on electric guitar, who received zero votes in this poll.

Hm, still can't figure out who you're referring to... Maybe I will in the morning.

George Barnes, apparently
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Barnes_%28musician%29#First_Recording_of_Electric_Guitar

Ah, thanks!

(How are you, Hurting 2?)

Hey, I'm good sund4r! Thanks for the comment on my beat.

I think I'm going to listen to George Barnes for the rest of the evening.

I hope everybody who voted on this thread will vote in the upcoming "best jazz tracks of all time" poll.

just got this
http://images.bizrate.com/resize?sq=450&uid=1203054
some of the usual suspects, but a bunch of bop-era guitarists I've never really heard. cheap!

Charlie Christian 2

the fuck

Think I got an email that one of Ted's star students has a gig tomorrow night.

Which one?

The one who has the same initials

Saw two cats classified as jazz guitarists who play with more of a rock influence that you might have enjoyed in overt the past two weeks.

"in overt"

Ted Dunbar's Bebop List

Ha, I think he still used virtually the same list when I was there. I kind of found it tedious, tbh. Also Freedom Jazz Dance is a real bitch to finger on guitar and I never quite found a good way.

Then maybe you should go up to Jazzmobile and study with Rick Stone!

I actually never quite understood his recommended practice routines. I mean "practicing" all of those tunes every day alone would take a few hours if you really did it. Then he'd have like three other books for you to practice out of, and you were supposed to do each thing in every key in every position on the fretboard, and it seemed like it would take 8 hours of FOCUSED practice to get through all that plus whatever was assigned for combos and improv classes and such. And I just did not have that kind of focus.

I know what you mean. Obviously you've gotta practice a lot and practice stuff on a regular basis, but to give people a giant list of stuff and say you've gotta practice this giant list every single day seems like it would be demoralizing to everybody but the most fanatical student. Which some might say is the point but still. Actually I saw the other guy for a few seconds this evening but didn't really talk to him. Next time I will ask whether he practiced all of that every single day.

Yes I would really like to know that. I think that was actually a big contributing factor in never getting further along in music was that demoralization.

Too bad this book wasn't around for you back then: http://www.shermusic.com/new/1883217482.shtml

Was wondering about this again today.

If you hang around with some Jazz guitarists you might find that a reasonable number of them actively dislike rock guitar, both the notes that are played and the effects they are played through. You might even here somebody say "These kids ruined music!" Which is fine if the disliker is over 60 but is really kind of weird when they are under 50. (Which ultimately might cause somebody else who does listen to rock to say that they hate Jazz guitar in return.) Some might actually cover it up by picking a few players to appreciate-"Oh yeah, I like Jimi Hendrix!" - but that's about as far as it goes. I'm sure somebody will say I made this up, but I assure you this strawman exists.

yeah in general people who ONLY like music from before their time tend to be a little crypto-creepy ime.

Have you met any of these rare creatures?

Some might actually cover it up by picking a few players to appreciate-"Oh yeah, I like Jimi Hendrix!" - but that's about as far as it goes. I'm sure somebody will say I made this up, but I assure you this strawman exists.

This is absolutely 100% true. I've been in on many of these conversations, and this attitude spans generations (though isn't as prevalent with younger players).

Charles Shaar Murray, in his brilliant Hendrix book Crosstown Traffic, had a great line about how if some homicidal time-traveler were to strangle at birth every jazz guitarist between Charlie Christian and Jimi Hendrix, the overall arc and development of the music as a whole wouldn't be any different.

In other news, apparently when Congress reauthorized the FAA a month ago, they made it clear that musical instruments were permitted as carry-on baggage so long as they fit in the compartment- you can see this on the TSA website, guitars and violins specifically mentioned- but I don't think the airline personnel have been informed, you still have to argue with them about this

Hm. I guess the law was signed on Valentine's Day, but there is a two year rollout period

Back to the other topic. You don't see this kind of thing too much with, say, bassists and drummers, they like themselves some funk too much, for one thing. Saxophonists though...

if some homicidal time-traveler were to strangle at birth every jazz guitarist between Charlie Christian and Jimi Hendrix, the overall arc and development of the music as a whole wouldn't be any different.

My man Wes deserves a little more respect than that.

Yeah, feel like that was a little overboard. It's the other side of the debate that ultimately ends up being one of these deals http://www.lewrockwell.com/grigg/Colors_of_contention.jpg

One time I heard Von Freeman's brother George on a Charlie Parker record and man if he didn't sound like Hendrix avant la lettre

My man Wes deserves a little more respect than that.

Ha, I actually just happened to re-read that passage, and it's actually between Christian and Wes, not Christian and Hendrix.

You know what's a great record that I am listening to now? Billy Bauer - Plectrist.

Happy Birthday to Gene Bertoncini, who is 75 today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nx0IL_QawJc#!

Friend of mine found this on youtube. Richard Davis looks (and plays like he is) high out of his mind. Still pretty cool though.

awesome, thanks!