deej what is ghostface's "schtick" exactly?
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Back Like That is awesome, wtf! It's fucking brutal
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i do like back like that a lot btw
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
still sounds like it should have been on pretty toney tho
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
"jellyfish" f/ fishscale is something else...
― Sanford, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
[way more than the sops to real h-h heads like that corny pete rock track & rapping over donuts instrumentals
lmao u are getting seriously contorted in your politics of what is and isn't corny. pre-donuts jay dee was regularly hated on by heads for ruining tribe and pharcyde, having weak offbeat claps instead of snares, & being r&b... donuts is a beat tape which contains tracks he was doing for ghostface
― zvookster, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Be Easy's the high point of the album for me. Don't give a fuck about Jay Dee and never have.
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
― zvookster, Tuesday, January 4, 2011 10:42 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
the dilla cult is rivaled only by nas stands for corniness at this pointi like dilla but he doesnt blend w/ ghost well. they are not pb&j, more pb&chewing gum
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
nas *stans*
Both the Dilla joints on there are dope, whether he has a corny death cult or not.
― tears of a self-clowning oven (The Reverend), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
to a dilla stan two great tastes automatically taste good together when one is j dilla
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
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― tears of a self-clowning oven (The Reverend), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
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― tears of a self-clowning oven (The Reverend), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I have never met a Nas stan
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
out here nobody gives a fuck about him
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
nas stans afaik only exist on the internet
rev dilla stans are everywhere cmon
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
there's dilla stans here iirc. Nas stans = not anymore
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway deej I am genuinely curious how you would characterize Ghost's "schtick" cuz imho any accurate estimation would have to include like 4 or 5 fairly distinct approaches. like, yes, he may have a schtick but its a fairly versatile one.
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not denying the existence of Dilla stans, but you are arguing against them instead of the people itt.
― tears of a self-clowning oven (The Reverend), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
the point is that "rhyming over donut instrumentals...as a sop to h-h heads" is rong
― zvookster, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm a total dilla stan and whip u w/ a strap is the second best thing on fishscale
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
agree that both Dilla tracks - but especially Whip You With A Strap - are album highlights
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link
and just two minutes long.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:40 (thirteen years ago) link
― zvookster, Tuesday, January 4, 2011 11:16 AM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
by the time this dropped it really wasnt any more
youre thinking of like circa 2000
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean what hip hop head hates on dilla in 2010, really
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:42 (thirteen years ago) link
2006 it was already over
so yr issue isn't that it was a sop just that it was past it's sell-by date? I don't get it. make sense man
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Those beats were always intended for Fishscale even before Donuts was released.
― tears of a self-clowning oven (The Reverend), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:43 (thirteen years ago) link
what?? no im responding to zvookster arguing that 'sops to hip hop heads' wouldnt include j dilla which by 2006 was not really true any more
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:43 (thirteen years ago) link
when someone who might own a Wild Nothings album gets hip to a rapper, deej will be there to call it corny
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link
j dilla changed my tshirt stans are corny to lots of people whiney
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
well he wasn't rhyming over donut instruments, he had jay dee making beats for him then he died and the whole death cult thing happened so it wasn't really a sop either. they were probably fairly cheap decent beats.
― zvookster, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, he was trying to get some of that corny death cult money by getting beats from him when he was still alive. That's fucking logical.
― tears of a self-clowning oven (The Reverend), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont think they rank w/ dilla's best by any means. and i dont think they make sense as tracks that 'fit' ghost's style either
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i didnt say anything about 'death cult' you herbs did
ghost totally has a raw, 80s streak, and dilla/doom beats are the tinny, tense, subway-listen heir to that style
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link
i agree it's more true of 2000 but the real canonization was post-donuts whereas ghost was already working with him
deej u said "rapping over donuts instruments" so...
― zvookster, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link
fishscale is just not that good an album imo. whats corny isnt 'who likes it' its that its not good but is praised like its a classic & the only reason i can see someone calling it a classic is bcuz 'classic' artists like pete rock & dilla, who get the kind of auteur's blind adoration hip hop heads are into, produce some mediocre tracks on it
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link
― zvookster, Tuesday, January 4, 2011 11:48 AM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
they are instrumentalsthat were also on donuts
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link
oh for fuck's sake, guys, let's not make this a sequel to the Diddy and Kanye in which the same three people fight over the same stupid shit.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link
lol deej
― zvookster, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 9:46 AM Bookmark
You used ever-so-slightly different language to describe the exact same phenomenon, yes.
― tears of a self-clowning oven (The Reverend), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think Fishscale's as good as Pretty Toney fwiw. deej may be right about it's adoration having to do with it's producers (why'd you leave MF Doom off yr list deej?) but there is a weird kind of strawmanning going on implying that you know people don't actually LIKE the album, they are just fronting cuz the producers have "coolness" cred or something. which is never a good look deej. argue about the music, the details, the specifics on their own merits, it's more defensible.
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
rmde at deej
― tears of a self-clowning oven (The Reverend), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:52 (thirteen years ago) link
shakey otm
I mean it may very well be the case that Fishscale's sense of importance is augmented by the fact that Ghost worked with a bunch of producers - Doom, Dilla, Pete Rock - that tons of hip hop heads like to listen to. (as opposed to Anthony 'Acid' Caputo)
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
The best songs on Fishscale aren't the ones by name producers anyway.
― tears of a self-clowning oven (The Reverend), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
seriously, deej, as much as you make fun of corny indie fuxxors your constant instistance that 'street rap' is the only worthy shit out there is worse than a vivalavinyl poster calling cornball on In The Red Records or something. You have that street-level, under-underground, losing-my-edge obsessions of metal dudes who wanna be kvlt, but just replace like Bone Awl records with Alley Boy
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
in short, Dilla is dope, stfu