Anticipate Ghostface's "Apollo Kids"

more fish is really underrated too. to me that's ghost in the nothing-new-but-nothing-bad mode that he's supposedly doing on apollo kids except leftover fishscale beats and stories are so much more focused and idiosyncratic (and hooky: "good") that at least the lows are goofs that sound like ghost being ghost. apollo kids sounds like tony yayo returned the favor.

rmde

damn was hoping that was still mod-repurposed

I think hating R&B is not super-conducive to "getting" Ghostface, but that's just me.

I agree.

Whiney is right that Back Like That is the worst song on Fishscale

Naw.

deej what is ghostface's "schtick" exactly?

Back Like That is awesome, wtf! It's fucking brutal

i do like back like that a lot btw

still sounds like it should have been on pretty toney tho

"jellyfish" f/ fishscale is something else...

[way more than the sops to real h-h heads like that corny pete rock track & rapping over donuts instrumentals

lmao u are getting seriously contorted in your politics of what is and isn't corny. pre-donuts jay dee was regularly hated on by heads for ruining tribe and pharcyde, having weak offbeat claps instead of snares, & being r&b... donuts is a beat tape which contains tracks he was doing for ghostface

Be Easy's the high point of the album for me. Don't give a fuck about Jay Dee and never have.

lmao u are getting seriously contorted in your politics of what is and isn't corny. pre-donuts jay dee was regularly hated on by heads for ruining tribe and pharcyde, having weak offbeat claps instead of snares, & being r&b... donuts is a beat tape which contains tracks he was doing for ghostface

― zvookster, Tuesday, January 4, 2011 10:42 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

the dilla cult is rivaled only by nas stands for corniness at this point
i like dilla but he doesnt blend w/ ghost well. they are not pb&j, more pb&chewing gum

nas *stans*

Both the Dilla joints on there are dope, whether he has a corny death cult or not.

to a dilla stan two great tastes automatically taste good together when one is j dilla

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I have never met a Nas stan

out here nobody gives a fuck about him

nas stans afaik only exist on the internet

rev dilla stans are everywhere cmon

there's dilla stans here iirc. Nas stans = not anymore

anyway deej I am genuinely curious how you would characterize Ghost's "schtick" cuz imho any accurate estimation would have to include like 4 or 5 fairly distinct approaches. like, yes, he may have a schtick but its a fairly versatile one.

I'm not denying the existence of Dilla stans, but you are arguing against them instead of the people itt.

the point is that "rhyming over donut instrumentals...as a sop to h-h heads" is rong

i'm a total dilla stan and whip u w/ a strap is the second best thing on fishscale

^^^

agree that both Dilla tracks - but especially Whip You With A Strap - are album highlights

and just two minutes long.

the point is that "rhyming over donut instrumentals...as a sop to h-h heads" is rong

― zvookster, Tuesday, January 4, 2011 11:16 AM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

by the time this dropped it really wasnt any more

youre thinking of like circa 2000

i mean what hip hop head hates on dilla in 2010, really

2006 it was already over

so yr issue isn't that it was a sop just that it was past it's sell-by date? I don't get it. make sense man

Those beats were always intended for Fishscale even before Donuts was released.

what?? no im responding to zvookster arguing that 'sops to hip hop heads' wouldnt include j dilla which by 2006 was not really true any more

when someone who might own a Wild Nothings album gets hip to a rapper, deej will be there to call it corny

j dilla changed my tshirt stans are corny to lots of people whiney

well he wasn't rhyming over donut instruments, he had jay dee making beats for him then he died and the whole death cult thing happened so it wasn't really a sop either. they were probably fairly cheap decent beats.

Yeah, he was trying to get some of that corny death cult money by getting beats from him when he was still alive. That's fucking logical.

i dont think they rank w/ dilla's best by any means. and i dont think they make sense as tracks that 'fit' ghost's style either

i didnt say anything about 'death cult' you herbs did

ghost totally has a raw, 80s streak, and dilla/doom beats are the tinny, tense, subway-listen heir to that style

i agree it's more true of 2000 but the real canonization was post-donuts whereas ghost was already working with him

deej u said "rapping over donuts instruments" so...

fishscale is just not that good an album imo. whats corny isnt 'who likes it' its that its not good but is praised like its a classic & the only reason i can see someone calling it a classic is bcuz 'classic' artists like pete rock & dilla, who get the kind of auteur's blind adoration hip hop heads are into, produce some mediocre tracks on it

i agree it's more true of 2000 but the real canonization was post-donuts whereas ghost was already working with him

deej u said "rapping over donuts instruments" so...

― zvookster, Tuesday, January 4, 2011 11:48 AM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

they are instrumentals
that were also on donuts

oh for fuck's sake, guys, let's not make this a sequel to the Diddy and Kanye in which the same three people fight over the same stupid shit.

lol deej

i didnt say anything about 'death cult' you herbs did

― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 9:46 AM Bookmark

You used ever-so-slightly different language to describe the exact same phenomenon, yes.