Anticipate Ghostface's "Apollo Kids"

did you read the part of my post where I specifically said I wasn't accusing you of doing that

hating on a rapper for making an R&B album is like some sub-mid-90s "you can new jack swing on my nuts" throwback silliness (not saying yr doin this jon. maybe Cohen is to some extent)

― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, January 3, 2011 6:55 PM Bookmark

or maybe some late 00s "death of autotune" silliness

but Cohen gets TWO digs in at Ghostdini in his review, including this one: it's tempting to overrate it due a general relief that he didn't try to make Ghostdini again.

so I kinda think yeah maybe he is an annoying genre puritan. Someone more familiar with his writing/ouevre (Alfred?) can maybe shed some light

xp

Grand Puba made my favorite 00s autotune rap song btw lol

Wizard Of Poetry would have sounded 30x better if it wasn't mostly shitty keyboard presets, and was mostly Ghost over live instruments or classic "crying over old R&B loops" stylee

^hip-hop rockist

ghost's R&B songs are dope -- bp wallets & pretty toney did a great job w/ the new school / old school R&B thing

the problem is just that he kept reiterating those ideas over & over again starting w/ fishscale

he has four classic records & a bunch of diminishing returns records. pretty tony is the last great one

fuiud

pfft

pfft

what does 'back like that' do for you that wasnt already done on pretty toney

"back like that" is the only song I don't like on that album. Also since when do rappers you like have to be insanely different on every album?

'insanely different' sorta stacks the deck no

i do ask that artists try, you know, new ideas, on new albums, when their shtick starts to get tired

i actually like 'back like that' way more than the sops to real h-h heads like that corny pete rock track & rapping over donuts instrumentals

i mean, yes I know that Tame Impala fans might know who Dilla and Doom are, but you're overcompensating here

the 'ghostface does no wrong' thing is nonsense. a schtick is a schtick no matter how consistently deployed

oh for god's sake -- who has said THAT?

i think the album where he's doing breakneck rhymes over tinny-ass Stones Throw beats is def a departure from his schtick

Actually, I guess I agree with deej, in part. This is a pretty mediocre album, the successor to another mediocre album which nevertheless received intelligent, guarded praise and a pretty solid but inessential album from 2007. You can argue that he's in a "slump" or he's entered the Expert Craftsman stage of his career, I guess, but what he does isn't "schtick": even on More Fish and TBDR and Ghostdini it's smart and surprising. AK is the only one in which I see real treading water.

more fish is really underrated too. to me that's ghost in the nothing-new-but-nothing-bad mode that he's supposedly doing on apollo kids except leftover fishscale beats and stories are so much more focused and idiosyncratic (and hooky: "good") that at least the lows are goofs that sound like ghost being ghost. apollo kids sounds like tony yayo returned the favor.

rmde

damn was hoping that was still mod-repurposed

I think hating R&B is not super-conducive to "getting" Ghostface, but that's just me.

I agree.

Whiney is right that Back Like That is the worst song on Fishscale

Naw.

deej what is ghostface's "schtick" exactly?

Back Like That is awesome, wtf! It's fucking brutal

i do like back like that a lot btw

still sounds like it should have been on pretty toney tho

"jellyfish" f/ fishscale is something else...

[way more than the sops to real h-h heads like that corny pete rock track & rapping over donuts instrumentals

lmao u are getting seriously contorted in your politics of what is and isn't corny. pre-donuts jay dee was regularly hated on by heads for ruining tribe and pharcyde, having weak offbeat claps instead of snares, & being r&b... donuts is a beat tape which contains tracks he was doing for ghostface

Be Easy's the high point of the album for me. Don't give a fuck about Jay Dee and never have.

lmao u are getting seriously contorted in your politics of what is and isn't corny. pre-donuts jay dee was regularly hated on by heads for ruining tribe and pharcyde, having weak offbeat claps instead of snares, & being r&b... donuts is a beat tape which contains tracks he was doing for ghostface

― zvookster, Tuesday, January 4, 2011 10:42 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

the dilla cult is rivaled only by nas stands for corniness at this point
i like dilla but he doesnt blend w/ ghost well. they are not pb&j, more pb&chewing gum

nas *stans*

Both the Dilla joints on there are dope, whether he has a corny death cult or not.

to a dilla stan two great tastes automatically taste good together when one is j dilla

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I have never met a Nas stan

out here nobody gives a fuck about him

nas stans afaik only exist on the internet

rev dilla stans are everywhere cmon

there's dilla stans here iirc. Nas stans = not anymore

anyway deej I am genuinely curious how you would characterize Ghost's "schtick" cuz imho any accurate estimation would have to include like 4 or 5 fairly distinct approaches. like, yes, he may have a schtick but its a fairly versatile one.

I'm not denying the existence of Dilla stans, but you are arguing against them instead of the people itt.

the point is that "rhyming over donut instrumentals...as a sop to h-h heads" is rong

i'm a total dilla stan and whip u w/ a strap is the second best thing on fishscale

^^^

agree that both Dilla tracks - but especially Whip You With A Strap - are album highlights

and just two minutes long.

the point is that "rhyming over donut instrumentals...as a sop to h-h heads" is rong

― zvookster, Tuesday, January 4, 2011 11:16 AM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

by the time this dropped it really wasnt any more

youre thinking of like circa 2000

i mean what hip hop head hates on dilla in 2010, really