pfork review otm but the rating doesnt match the general lack of enthusiasm in the review -- would think 5.0-5.5 based on the words alone
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah bit of a disconnect there
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I do agree with most of it; Cohen's one of my favorite hip-hop critics.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link
i thought most of it was cocksure babble
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
like why would anyone not hear anything since supreme clientele and then be shocked by wizard? why is this presented like it actually happened? is the residue of the years in the interim really tush, back like that & back like that remix? and so on
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link
wonder what deej thought of like every place in the world who reviewed this bfore his place of work did and he revived the thread lol
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, those are his biases. Cohen doesn't like R&B, never has.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link
He doesn't throw his darts sideways anymore, but without sort of bullshit clutter, he's still an incredibly ostentatious lyricist, just one that's easier to parse.
UNLIKE U THEN ooo burn hi 5
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link
yeh that's what's i was thinking tbh, like it's fine to not like wizard just say so, no need for bizarro universalist narrative
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I kind of hate contemporary R&B too but Ghostdini's take on it appealed to me (which I elaborated on on the Ghostdini thread iirc)
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway "all-r&b" is more press release than reality for wizard
i have no interest in hearing this record so im not gonna weigh in in his defense
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link
why'dja bring it up then
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
i no longer harbor any fantasies of being a paid music editor anymore but in the event of some fluke, consider this an open invite for zvookster to write for me anytime
― dum assantino (kiss out the jams), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link
― zvookster, Monday, January 3, 2011 1:33 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
read the review, seemed 'relevant'
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
thx for your important contribution deej
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
this album's probably the first time i've been genuinely disappointed by ghostface, though i bitched a little about big doe rehab at the time and have since repented
― dum assantino (kiss out the jams), Monday, 3 January 2011 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
blasting this in my car made me appreciate it a little more, tbh
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
welcome to rap
― dum assantino (kiss out the jams), Monday, 3 January 2011 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
if this is the first time you've been "genuinely disappointed" by Ghostface, I have to wonder when you started listening, July 2010? I mean, that is almost part and parcel of following the guy
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 3 January 2011 22:59 (thirteen years ago) link
all rappers suck when they stop leading the fans and the fans start leading them
r.e.m. too
― dum assantino (kiss out the jams), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
I have no idea what this means
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
did the fans lead him to make Ghostdini? or did they lead him to make this album? how is this 'leading' accomplished anyway
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:11 (thirteen years ago) link
The fan replied, “My Ghostface, My precious child, I love you and I would never leave you. During your times of trial and suffering, when you see only one set of footprints, it was then that I carried you.”
― the medina green preservation society (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
following up his smallest album with a 180 named after his biggest album
is the new
30 is the new 20 oh wait wait wait watching this movie helped me remember some more illegal shit i did in my youth, please don't leave
rappers are pathetic
― dum assantino (kiss out the jams), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:43 (thirteen years ago) link
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:44 (thirteen years ago) link
just saying
ghostdini is Where He Was Going and fans are one-dimensional pieces of shit who pulled him back into hoe-handcuffing that's below him
you don't have to like ghostdini but it helps if most of its detractors admitted they only listen to one kind of rap
― dum assantino (kiss out the jams), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link
FYI Ironman is his biggest record
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i want to know what is the only one kind of rap i listen to since i didn't like Ghostdeini
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:47 (thirteen years ago) link
i like both kinds of music, hip and hop
― the medina green preservation society (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:49 (thirteen years ago) link
also helps if they didn't act more grossed out by "absorb pussy juice like a sponge" than "we've got whores on all fours waiting to do all four of us"
i don't know you man, but i hope you wouldn't bash it for what it is if you know full well that "going r&b" albums aren't to your taste
― dum assantino (kiss out the jams), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't remember Ghostdini getting a lot of hate around here. Cohen obviously hated it.
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:53 (thirteen years ago) link
blasphemer
i don't recall ever "bashing" it, just didn't like it for the exact reaon you nailed - i don't listen to Ghost for his r&b side, i don't mind a track or two on a record, i just can't get down with a whole album of it (not to say deini didn't have some worthwhile tunes, just not my kind of thing; fwiw i'm not declaring Apollo Kids to be some "return to form" either, just a better record than the last couple
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link
hating on a rapper for making an R&B album is like some sub-mid-90s "you can new jack swing on my nuts" throwback silliness (not saying yr doin this jon. maybe Cohen is to some extent)
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:55 (thirteen years ago) link
like I didn't even know such genre purists still existed
can we all just agree the last three are all "pretty good" and be done with it
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't get how not liking one particular facet of Ghost's personality means i'm hating on him
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:57 (thirteen years ago) link
did you read the part of my post where I specifically said I wasn't accusing you of doing that
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, January 3, 2011 6:55 PM Bookmark
or maybe some late 00s "death of autotune" silliness
― pomp la familia (Hurting 2), Monday, 3 January 2011 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link
but Cohen gets TWO digs in at Ghostdini in his review, including this one: it's tempting to overrate it due a general relief that he didn't try to make Ghostdini again.
so I kinda think yeah maybe he is an annoying genre puritan. Someone more familiar with his writing/ouevre (Alfred?) can maybe shed some light
xp
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 00:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Grand Puba made my favorite 00s autotune rap song btw lol
Wizard Of Poetry would have sounded 30x better if it wasn't mostly shitty keyboard presets, and was mostly Ghost over live instruments or classic "crying over old R&B loops" stylee
^hip-hop rockist
― Urban Coochie Collective (sic), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 01:04 (thirteen years ago) link
ghost's R&B songs are dope -- bp wallets & pretty toney did a great job w/ the new school / old school R&B thing
the problem is just that he kept reiterating those ideas over & over again starting w/ fishscale
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
he has four classic records & a bunch of diminishing returns records. pretty tony is the last great one
fuiud
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link
pfft
― darwin deej (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 01:57 (thirteen years ago) link
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 02:02 (thirteen years ago) link
what does 'back like that' do for you that wasnt already done on pretty toney
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 02:04 (thirteen years ago) link