not sure if a hoy hoy is being a sarcastic dick or not. smif n wessun are, to most people, pretty obscure. and as neil says, to nme readers, so is a mobb deep album from 15 years ago.
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 3 January 2011 00:57 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah but whatever bullshit is on the typical nme list is, to most people, 'pretty obscure'
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 01:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno seems silly to me to play dumb w/ your audience about given subgenres
nme isn't typically read by rap nerds, so even to nme readers, those are obscure acts -- but i mean, they have xtc on the list, so it isn't meant to be the most obscure records of all time, just stuff that college-age kids won't know about
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 3 January 2011 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link
also the go-betweens, felt and, um, black rebel motorcycle club...
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 3 January 2011 01:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Wot no Terris
― Morcheeba, simply happening. (PaulTMA), Monday, 3 January 2011 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I suppose the 100 albums you've never heard also means that you are supposed to like them, i.e. that they are not too unlike the stuff you already like.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Monday, 3 January 2011 11:35 (thirteen years ago) link
No, you take your pick.
― Mark G, Monday, 3 January 2011 11:45 (thirteen years ago) link
These were all recommended by (mostly) artists that NME readers probably already appreciate, as well as a few choices by NME journalists. The 5 Kurt Cobain choices were made nearly 20 years ago.
Feels more like one of the 'Originals' run than an actual issue. Still, features more good records than the NME normally would in a month or two.
― Craigo Boingo, Monday, 3 January 2011 12:16 (thirteen years ago) link
These were all recommended by (mostly) artists that NME readers probably already appreciate, as well as a few choices by NME journalists
Artist are known to be much, much, much more openminded towards other genres than their fans are though.
Btw. I think this is the big mistake that Mojo are doing regarding present music too. They seem to try to open their readership's eyes towards new music but instead of finding new stuff that is stylistically related to what their readers already love, they tend to recommend stuff from completely different genres. Putting John Grant at the top of their list this year was an exception though - obviously if Mojo readers are likely to get into new, young acts, they are much more likely to get into John Grant than some hip-hop or R&B act. Because John Grant is much closer to the kind of music they have already known and loved for 40 years.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:23 (thirteen years ago) link
dunno why the fuck you'd wanna introduce the youth to XTC via White Music tho - it might tick the post-Strokes spiky guitars box but it's pretty fucken weak.
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:26 (thirteen years ago) link
That is true. But if the youth are into rather tough sounding rock'n'roll, XTC's best work may feel too pastoral for them.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person unconsciously denies their own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to the weather, or to other people. Thus, it involves imagining or projecting that others have those feelings.[1]
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i wd have gone drums n wires but ehh
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Geir with all respect even the god-knows-whats that read Mojo have a bit broader range of interests than "all shit that sounds like the Kinks, all the time".
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:28 (thirteen years ago) link
the c...the cu...the oh forget it, in 2k11 that term will have to be rationed
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:35 (thirteen years ago) link
sort of admirable that the nme are giving this list to 15yr old proto-ilx types for whom it will only hasten the end of their nme buying days
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:37 (thirteen years ago) link
The proto-ILX types have never started buying NME in the first place. They are content with hit magazines and hitlists.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:46 (thirteen years ago) link
how did you get into proper music?
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:47 (thirteen years ago) link
if that story doesn't involve some kind of traumatic brain injury then I don't wanna hear it
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Having never read the NME - why would they have a "non-music" issue as mentioned in the OP? They're a music magazine, right? What kind of content would a "non-music" NME have?
― jodeci & oracle (kkvgz), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:54 (thirteen years ago) link
They are content with hit magazines and hitlists.
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:55 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost
dunno what issue the OP was refering to but in the 80s the NME wd run occasional non-music cover stories about Youth Issues like drugs or suicide or voting for Neil Kinnock. any sense of this being a bold move was mitigated by yr suspicion that they couldn't face putting the Smiths on the cover because J. Marr hadn't farted in public that week.
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:58 (thirteen years ago) link
aye, it'd have music shit in there too
at one point there was a big internal war over "that sort of thing" (cf. covering hip-hop) but the main player's name escapes me. stuart something, perhaps, who was styled "media editor" maybe.
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 3 January 2011 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Stuart Cosgrove. Ian Pye was the editor at the time IIRC
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Monday, 3 January 2011 14:27 (thirteen years ago) link
xxp I always thought those non-musical cover stories were a serious engagement with key issues. they didn't strike me as being tokenistic or whatever. nevertheless I remember reading somewhere (may even have been ILM) that the youth suicide issue was the lowest selling ever.
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Monday, 3 January 2011 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link
In reply, fuck that shit. When I was 17 me and my friends all read the NME and didn't have the awesome broadband every 17 year old has now. We all knew and loved TROY and Shook Ones Pt. 2. I remember getting drunk with a couple other friends jamming to Black Moon (about as close to Smif N Wesson as a group can get). Kids know how to download things, they aren't fucking ignorant of these super obscure records. No-one would have a problem with him putting in Da Dirty 30 or Bl_ck B_st_rds
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Monday, 3 January 2011 14:30 (thirteen years ago) link
The indie equiv of The Infamous is what, a Weezer record or Dookie or something? NME wouldn't dare stick something like that in this list but instead they and Mark Ronson are fucking stupid and ignorant.
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Monday, 3 January 2011 14:32 (thirteen years ago) link
When I was 17 me and my friends all read the NME and didn't have the awesome broadband every 17 year old has now. We all knew and loved TROY and Shook Ones Pt. 2. I remember getting drunk with a couple other friends jamming to Black Moon (about as close to Smif N Wesson as a group can get).
well you're an exceptional individual, clearly. i was a 17-y-o nme reader, Before The Internet, and knew plenty. and in my world of young nme readers, very, very few were familiar with hip-hop beyond stuff that got in the charts.
The indie equiv of The Infamous is what, a Weezer record or Dookie or something? NME wouldn't dare stick something like that in this list but instead they and Mark Ronson are fucking stupid and ignorant.― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Monday, January 3, 2011 2:32 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Monday, January 3, 2011 2:32 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark
that's because the nme is an indie mag not a rap mag derp
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 3 January 2011 14:33 (thirteen years ago) link
nah smif n wesson is a good pick for this sort of thing. black moon wld be too. the infamous and pete rock debut are too close to canon picks even for a teen rock mag tho
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link
though as it goes mid-late 90s nme wasn't that big on weezer. from what i can tell neither the debut nor 'pinkerton' made its EOY so, yeah, brilliant example.
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 3 January 2011 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Kids know how to download things, they aren't fucking ignorant of these super obscure records. No-one would have a problem with him putting in Da Dirty 30 or Bl_ck B_st_rds
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Monday, 3 January 2011 14:30 (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
you realise this post makes you look insane, right?
― Scilk Mahouthy (DJ Mencap), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
like if you can look over that entire list and the one thing you conclude is "Smif N Wessun are way to well known to be in this"... I don't know how to finish that sentence tbh
― Scilk Mahouthy (DJ Mencap), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link
fwiw the Mobb Deep was one of I think three things in there I thought were maybe a bit 'canon' even for this readership, the other two being Love and The Zombies, but (a) I don't actually own any of those myself and (b) the fuck does it matter *really*
― Scilk Mahouthy (DJ Mencap), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Monday, 3 January 2011 14:30 (59 minutes ago)
every1 had dsl when i was 17 and i'm older than u iirc
and every1 has access to internet music journalism but some still buy nme, not just about 'access' to records/content, ppl like familiarity/recommendations
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe the problem is some people just cannot cope with the fact that many are actually still into white guys with guitars because they happen to like that kind of music best?
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link
The perspective on US Hip Hop from the UK has always been weird and getting weirder I think. Most of the kids I know - who are admittedly not in the NME's demographic really - don't know about any of the 90s acts that were a huge fucking deal at the time. Broadband is one thing but having a map of the musical universe is another - most of the teenagers I talk to that give a shit about Hip Hop don't have much interest in history.
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
u still haven't told us how u got into music geir
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Geir please give it a rest with white guys with guitars.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:41 (thirteen years ago) link
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:38 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lol is this even a response to anyone's actual post
― Scilk Mahouthy (DJ Mencap), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
most of the teenagers I talk to that give a shit about Hip Hop don't have much interest in history.
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:40 (13 seconds ago)
don't necessarily think this is a problem, i mean i'm not sure if the east riding ukhh scene is going to be the atlanta of the 2k10s, but a little less record-collector piety might be worth a try
like i'd guess those odd future etc reets are only selectively schooled in the lore -- a partial, misinformed history is maybe better than encyclopedism or ~eclecticism~
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
his ownxp
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
xp
oh nakh yeah I wasn't saying this was in any way a problem, just that I wouldn't be in the slightest bit surprised at kids not having heard of The Infamous. Plus reiterating the stuff about it being a list for NME readers i.e. who gives a fuck about them anyway?
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
if anything the scene kids are a bawhair away from being corny undie mfers anyway, the mainstream guys just seem to randomly dig whatever's vaguely crossed over plus odd stuff from god knows where. any yes Hull is high on the list of Least Urban cities in the Yoo Kay too.
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i wouldn't be surprised xp....i mean some of these names don't mean a lot to me
a hoy hoy is clearly through the looking glass itt
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOkeYyrwB6g
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
lol I think we've got an EP of theirs lying somewhere round the house
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
these are like standard "100 best hip hop records ever" records btw, so let's not act like ahoy is totally crazy. nme kids prob haven't heard any queensbridge hip hop but u still don't put illmatic in the issue u present as secret sounds.
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link
they didn't put illmatic in iirc
also (i've said this elsewhere) the list has 'the marble index' and xtc and the go-betweens and felt so it isn't *that* obscure
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
the argument "nme kids haven't hear this" mayne
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link