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Will you call them freaks? Or will you call them gods?

― marc h., Monday, 14 March 2005 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Throwing Copper was produced by Jerry Harrison of Talking Heads!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 14 March 2005 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Will you call them freaks? Or will you call them gods?

LABOR LABOR LABOR

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 14 March 2005 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

"Operation Spirit" is soooo much better, even if it is a bit misguided and slightly anthemic in a pompous way.

― Quit glaring at Ian Riese-Moraine! He's mentally fraught! (Eastern Mantra), Monday, 14 March 2005 23:16 (twenty-one years ago)

This is the only Live song that doesn't make me vomit and/or laugh.
I'm a sucker for 'chunka chunka' guitar riffs. [yes, that's a technical term]

― VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 March 2005 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought he was saying "Burly Burly Burly" there.

The milk-bar video was so bizarre.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 01:32 (twenty-one years ago)

oh please... the duddest dud to ever dud

― Seuss, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 01:38 (twenty-one years ago)

oh man...a couple weeks ago I caught the SNL rerun where they played this song. memories..I hated all the Throwing Copper singles but I thought this one was alright, although it was immediately clear that the followup album was going to tank. that main riff is so heavy.

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 01:39 (twenty-one years ago)

After suffering through their earlier shit I sought never to hear their crap again and I believe I succeeded! I have no memory of ever hearing this song at all!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I loved loved loved the first two albums and debut ep, but this song and its corresponding album were trash trash trash.

Of course, I like the single from the album after this one about the dolphins, so what the hell do I know?

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

hahahaha DOLPHINS CRY, I totally forgot about that one.

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:05 (twenty-one years ago)

the song starts out okayish and then it gets to the chorus and you're like 'Can I hear the dolphins WHAT?'

― VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:09 (twenty-one years ago)

"Lightning Crashes"

oh you have got to be shitting me

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been hearing that song on the radio a lot lately. Pure Pearl Jam lite with Ed making sounds that no human should be proud to have created.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:27 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry man, it works. The only time their self-importance was even close to merited.

I also like "White: Discussion" OK and the bridge to "I, Alone" is pretty awesome, but besides that "Lightning Crashes" towers miles above the rest of their catalogue.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 03:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm shocked at the amount of "classic"s in here.

It was Live who paved the way for Creed, who as everyone knows is the devil. So in essence, Live was the antichrist.

― billstevejim, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, but growing up in SE PA, these guys were so dudly they willed themselves classic. they wouldn't stop touring the area! and the mythology surrounding them was ridiculous. every roommate i had in college would tell me something about this band (they useta be skinheads/nazis, you know) - one d00d went so far as to hang a picture of them promoting whatever tour it was in '97 in our room!

VISIT ONE CHAMELEON CLUB.

― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't get it twisted, Bill - it was ROCK RADIO'S FASCINATION W/ GRUNGE'S MESSIAH COMPLEX IN TOTO that paved the way for Creed.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

What was the name of the single that preceded "Lightning Crashes" - I have vaguely fond memories of it (esp. in light of the turgid duddery of "LC").

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Lest we forget HER PLACENTA FALLS TO THE FLOOR.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i alone?

i couldn't escape this band between '94 and '97. even my dud first host brother in DENMARK like these fukkers.

ME: WHY DO YOU LIKE THEM, ANDERS?
ANDERS: FORDI DE ER SAA GODE?
ME: OH I GET IT. YOU LIKE THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE SO GOOD.

/conversation. things didn't go well with that host family. (he also loved pearl jam.)

― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost david - why am i reminded of that scene when mel gibson and homer rewrite mr. smith goes to washington? "it's a metaphor. he was angry!"

― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

No, not "I Alone" - the acousticy one that sounds a lot like REM. "To love a God, to fear the flame, to burn a cross that has a name" or something? And then he busts into some "EEEEEEEE" "Lion Sleeps Tonight" belting?

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, wait, I just remembered part of the chorus - "we won't be raped / we won't be scarred like that". Acropalyptic self-castigating middle-class poo-poo. I revoke my vaguely fond memories.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

SELLING TEH DRAMA!

― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Ding ding ding GONG!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

-- blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.lif...), March 15th, 2005.

haha, yeah, everyone I know who's from a certain part of Pennsylvania seems to have a "we saw Live when they were just getting started" story.

I think the sequence of Throwing Copper singles/videos was:

Selling The Drama -> I Alone -> Lightning Crashes -> White, Discussion

with All Over You somewhere in there as a big radio hit with no video. White, Discussion was the one that I thought was tolerable, at least at first.

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)

careers like Live's (and Third Eye Blind's, and Hootie & The Blowfish) kind of mystify me, because they have like 4 or 5 big singles off one album, and then can't get a hit as big as any of those after that one album. so they're not really one-hit wonders, but it's like their fame lasts for exactly one album cycle.

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah al - i agree, but strangely the marketing for secret samadhi presented them as though they were the new number one band in the world! i recall turning down invitations to see them - i simply didn't get it, even with the local connection (imaginary, you betcha): i thought they were like dave matthews band.

in fact, it's hard to imagine them having been that famous now. also: alanis morrissette to thread (re many hit singles, and then poof!)

― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

it seems naive or short-sighted to imply that it was an especially mid-90's phenomenon, but it really seems like it was, doesn't it?

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's a 70s & 80s phenomenon, too (though probably more 80s than 70s) (and more new-wave than anything else I can recall) (though maybe some R&B acts fall into this ditch, too).

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't get it twisted, Bill - it was ROCK RADIO'S FASCINATION W/ GRUNGE'S MESSIAH COMPLEX IN TOTO that paved the way for Creed.

SEE ONE RATTLE & HUM

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

WATCH THE OMEGA etc

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

RAISE ONE LED ZEPPELIN

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Led Zeppelin did arena, but they didn't do 'spirituality'

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd venture to say that the line between "arena" and "spirituality" is angel-hair thin.

CALL ONE WHO ROCK OPERA.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah but Zep practically invented "middle eastern-tinged hard rock"

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

> 4 or 5 big singles off one album, and then can't get a hit as big as any of those after that one album

Bush to thread, better that the rest, green to red, Bush to thread.

― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

"middle eastern-tinged hard rock"

oh I'm not pretending this song could exist in a "Kashmir"-free world

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Bush to thread, better that the rest, green to red, Bush to thread.

"Greedy Fly" and "Swallowed" off Razorblade Suitcase were both pretty big in my high school, tho. And I remember seeing a video for the "Mouth" remix on MTV.

― marc h., Tuesday, 15 March 2005 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I still think "Machine Head" & "Everything Zen" (& "Glycerine"!!!!) (on the Tonight Show!!!!) lapped those Albini-abetted bad boys from Razorblade Suitcase. And the remix from the Julia Delpy werewolf flick.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, but growing up in SE PA, these guys were so dudly they willed themselves classic. they wouldn't stop touring the area! and the mythology surrounding them was ridiculous.

so what yer saying, then, is that live were THE HOOTERS of the 90s?!?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

oh dear god - i had a hand-me-down hooters tee shirt. i wish i knew what happened to it (i'd be so sad if i lost it) - and my mom went to high school with john oates (north penn represent).

Live were like having a local, Orwellian Dave Matthews Band - omnipresent and always dudly.

― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 04:04 (twenty-one years ago)

"Swallowed" has aged surprisingly well. I still prefer Sixteen Stone to Nevermind (except for Polly), I guess I was two years too young for Nirvana to really hit me (but was just right for the pretenders to the throne).

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 04:18 (twenty-one years ago)

this thread has become...cumbersome.

― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 04:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't get it twisted, Bill - it was ROCK RADIO'S FASCINATION W/ GRUNGE'S MESSIAH COMPLEX IN TOTO that paved the way for Creed.

I agree. And if it wasn't for DMX there'd be no Ja Rule, but I still enjoy "Get At Me Dog".

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 05:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Beavis & Butt-head watching "I Alone" was pretty classic, where they're talking about how the drummer forgot to bring his sticks so he has to just run around like a jackass through the whole video.

― daria g (daria g), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 06:02 (twenty-one years ago)

"I thought they were in the van, heh, heh."

― nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 07:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually he had the sticks, but no drums, so he kind of air drummed with the sticks, I think.

― nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 07:52 (twenty-one years ago)

he did!!! and the singer was bald with the one long braid in the back!

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 08:08 (twenty-one years ago)

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everyone in high school called this album Secret Sodomy
― miccio (miccio), Monday, March 14, 2005 2:32 PM (seventeen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 03:49 (three years ago)

addendum: I have it on good authority that the people at Pachyderm Studios found a "metric ton" of porno mags stashed all over the place after Live vacated the premises.

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 21:10 (three years ago)

A lotta Lakini's Juice spilled, no doubt.

― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 21:15 (three years ago)

MORE SKIN

― waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 21:18 (three years ago)

I've had "Selling the Drama" (I think that's what it's called) playing non-stop in my head the last couple of days since reading that rolling stone article. These songs are so annoyingly catchy and this is reminding me why I got rid of "Throwing Copper" about a year after buying it (one of a handful of CDs I ever sold)

― silverfish, Friday, 24 February 2023 17:07 (three years ago)

all it took was the article quoting the lyrics "and for christ the cross / and for me the chair". My brain does some dumb shit sometimes.

― silverfish, Friday, 24 February 2023 17:11 (three years ago)

" there's very little distinct about the bass, guitar playing, and drumming in this band"

What was that <i>Throwing Copper</i>-era video where Kowalczyk is singing and grooving with great rockstar chrisma, while the rest of the band look confused at the camera like doofuses?

― Melomane, Friday, 24 February 2023 17:33 (three years ago)

Ah, it was "I Alone". Yeah, after I saw this a few years ago, I pretty much wrote off the rest of the band: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNrQOUtXYOo

― Melomane, Friday, 24 February 2023 17:34 (three years ago)

Cosmic Egg Healing
11 months ago
can confirm: it’s 2022 and this song still goes hard af!

Valeen OI
2 years ago
This song is a masterpiece.

Matt Barringer
6 years ago
One of the best bands of the 90's hands down. Such intensity in Ed's voice.

tangobasso
2 years ago
Can confirm: It’s 2021 and this song still goes hard af.

Baron Von Sparklefarts
6 years ago
The intro of this song is utterly unmistakable. 10/10

Baby Polo
6 years ago
Listen closely to the bass in the verses.....so ominous and chilling....sounds like a living creature, its breath rising and falling. Amazing. Track gives me goosebumps. Earphones, loud!

SystemFailure
8 years ago
Live has always been a thinking persons type of band. The way the music and lyrics are laid out are very artistic and intelligently arranged. One of my favorite bands from the 90's

Jonas Butler
6 years ago
This is the one song that convinced to buy some good speakers. It was about twenty years ago. Live deserves the best. My Mom loves Live. They are easily underrated, but loved by all.

― omar little, Friday, 24 February 2023 17:51 (three years ago)

i associate this band with a friend i had from about 13-15 yo named m!tch. his dad was a software guy who did office-y looking mini wood and wire sculptures on the side - lots of aquamarine speckled with yellow, that sort of thing - dilbert vibes. m!tch and his dad were alright, i went with them to my first concert (dave matthews band lol). i never quite had m!tch's enthusiasm for live though.

― ꙮ (map), Friday, 24 February 2023 17:58 (three years ago)

highly recommend anyone who hasn’t heard it check out their song about having sex on a couch in the middle of the club.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IScl9sX3Inw

― JoeStork, Friday, 24 February 2023 18:03 (three years ago)

key lyrics

We hit a couch, the place was packed
With sweaty palms, sweaty thongs, and sweaty backs
My mouth was dry, my brain cold high, the groove was right, so I decided to ignite
Your eyes met mine, you skirt began to rise, and so did I
Now you know that i took that prize
In the middle of the club, in the middle of the club, in the middle of club
Now tell me!

― omar little, Friday, 24 February 2023 18:08 (three years ago)

I like how there’s a completely baffling reference to the death of Christ just so you know you’re still listening to Live.

― JoeStork, Friday, 24 February 2023 18:27 (three years ago)

i try to ruthlessly interrogate the opinions i had when i was a teenager but one that's remained unshakable is that the lyrics on secret samadhi are among the most embarrassing ever penned. and they just got worse from there

i love "lakini's juice" though i can't deny, potentially because it is one of the dumbest songs ever made

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:33 (three years ago)

I keep hearing MORE SKIN

in the voice of that one zombie from Return of the Living Dead

― waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:35 (three years ago)

no one:
ed kowalczyk: DRUNK ON YOUR JUICES

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:37 (three years ago)

Nothing was worse than "Heaven" imo

― waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:41 (three years ago)

i got the juice like lakini

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:42 (three years ago)

rappers feel free to use that

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:42 (three years ago)

Lol

― waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:43 (three years ago)

still baffled that i would hear "heaven" occasionally on the adult alternative station that played all day long when i worked at carvel. a band that ran out of ideas several albums ago was now trying to become christian train

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:44 (three years ago)

Nobody call me on the phone
Like Live, I alone

― waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:45 (three years ago)

lakini pouring from the sky, let's get rich what

― c u (crüt), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:46 (three years ago)

It was the type of Christian song for Protestants who smoked

― waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:46 (three years ago)

Xxxpost

― waiting for a czar to fall (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:47 (three years ago)

lakini pouring from the sky, let's get rich what

― c u (crüt), Friday, February 24, 2023 12:46 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

hahaha omg

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 24 February 2023 18:52 (three years ago)

damn wish id thought of that one lol

― four square ups... no punches thrown (Spottie), Friday, 24 February 2023 19:28 (three years ago)

lmao

― not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Friday, 24 February 2023 22:10 (three years ago)

eleven months pass...

Secret Samadhi by Live: its bathetic and grotesque lyrics

― not the one who's tryin' to dub your anime (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 3 February 2024 16:20 (two years ago)

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