Dizzee Rascal: Boy In Da Corner

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it's not like fallacy is wearing a bowler hat and ben sherman shirt is it?

Chip Morningstar (bob), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

avirex: a great british success story

Chip Morningstar (bob), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

dizzee wears fubu!!! that's beautiful! *simon reynolds googles fubu*

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

it's not like fallacy is wearing a bowler hat and ben sherman shirt is it?

but, hell, i'd love it if he did... didn't bushwick bill wear a bowler now and again?

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

fubu bowlers... now they would be rad!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

dizzee wears fubu!!! that's beautiful! *simon reynolds googles fubu*

this is the first line ever on ILX to genuinely make me laugh out loud.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

throw dem bones!

Chip Morningstar (bob), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

i dunno about the whole "best album of the year" thing...that joe mudden album is really good!

edited because joke fell flat, Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

is it? i've already started getting bored of "pump it up."

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Try "Fire" and "10 Minutes", Yanc3y.. but the album as a whole is definitely solid.

adam west (adamwest), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

cool. thanks man

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

is there anyone here who doesn't know what fubu stands for that i can tell? oh damn it i'm gonna say it anyway. "for us by us..."

martin (martin), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

i think what's endlessly fascinating about dizzee and "boy..." in particular is that it's not so predictable a sum as US rap + UK garage (radio) sounds = THE END OF THE WORLD FOREVER (HURRAH, etc). sure, he's got american rap influences and sure most of the lyrics and some of the sounds will be familiar to people who've listened to him before on the radio or whatever, but the record is far more consistently jaw-dropping than i expected (and i expected a lot). it's vulnerable, conceited, beautiful, ugly, cathartic, self-abasing, english, etc etc AND HAS THESE WICKED FUCKED UP DEMON CHILDREN (who sound like the 4 y/o knife-murderer on "blue jam") WHO WAIL "I'M YOUR FITNESS INSTRUCTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" ON THE WILEY TRACK ("2 for").

i've listened to it about 40 times since i got hold of a copy last week. it gets better with every listen.

Chris Houghton (chrish), Thursday, 5 June 2003 16:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

:-0

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 5 June 2003 16:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

grrr

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 5 June 2003 16:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

being a "professional rock critic" is worth exactly jack shit right about now

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 5 June 2003 16:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

i agree chris, muscially and lyrically, it gets better with every listen. only the hip-opera one gets worse :)

a good thing about this album is it will establish him as an amazing producer.

everyone knows I Luv U but it was made about two years ago. people slate it because it sounds raw [ except that's why i like it...] but the LP will surprise people, musically.

and there's such insane lyrics & slang on it. anyone know what 'dis one strictly for pitneys' is about?

martin (martin), Thursday, 5 June 2003 16:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

strictly for pitneys

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh. i see. i wonder where the buddy holly lyric went then... ;)

martin (martin), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah, uh well it's all about the WILEY album huh guys! wait til that shit drops! yeah

Chip Morningstar (bob), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

there's some vocal riddim by wiley on Rinse recently that blows me away. his production is less varied than Dizzee's but it's all Detroity and deep. can't wait for the LP...

martin (martin), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

"everyone knows I Luv U but it was made about two years ago. people slate it because it sounds raw [ except that's why i like it...] but the LP will surprise people, musically."

i'm not sure. it will and it won't. the metal-on-metal bass sounds and D's voice on i luv you are the general constants. i think what will surprise people though is the depth of the production and breadth of the lyrics. and i don't mean that in an asian dub foundation we-must-now-write a bad song about ASYLUM "issues" way. i mean in the sense that there's far more going on in his head than the single and the stuff on p2p suggest. he's not a thug rapper. he is a thug rapper. he goes on about beating and robbing people BUT the tracks that bookend it are so fucking sad, complete conor oberst emo-boy pathos but without the bad hair and lame guitars (phew). like the bit where he goes on about wanting to go to sleep and never wake up again b/c he's so miserable with his life - after almost an hour of going on about how great he is. i'm simplifying, and it's a bit protest too much, but it's so refreshing to get that vulnerability from a rapper who also sounds so fresh and makes such awesome noises. the only upsetting thing about it is that the track i downloaded that had the "i ain't gonna lie / i ain't got a six pack / i got a bad temper and a baseball bat" line on it didn't get an update.

and he was born in 1985. even as someone born in the 80s, this makes me sick.

Chris Houghton (chrish), Thursday, 5 June 2003 18:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

"i think what will surprise people though is the depth of the production "

yes. that was my point.

and i also agree, he is a mass of contradictions. a reaction between his environment and his inner self. not that that's exclusive to dizzee obviously, but he's such a mess of tensions it's so entralling.

i love it when he parodies people parodying him. "that dizzee rascal's so rude..." he goes, in some soft cockney accent, not the usual harsh tone he uses.

the highlights definitely include the sad stuff. jezebel, sitting here and brand new day. heartwrenching.

martin (martin), Thursday, 5 June 2003 18:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah sorry, i wasn't deliberately misinterpreting you, but i reckon while there are tracks that obviously take it funkier ("2 for"), further (track 4), or just more audacious and obvious (but make it work) ("fix up look sharp") you can definitely see the links between the single and the album, and how and why "i luv you" actually makes all the i ain't uk garage so get used to it talk look like less of a pose without the album. and that obviously demolishes the is-he/isn't-he dynamic.

i think we should shut up now martin. it must be like dangling chocolate from people's mouths and then pulling it away. i'm interviewing him on monday, though. can't fucking wait.

oh, and if anyone wants a copy....

no, no. sorry. no.

Chris Houghton (chrish), Thursday, 5 June 2003 18:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

support british undergrown talent... don't up/download dizzee...

martin (martin), Thursday, 5 June 2003 18:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

ha

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 5 June 2003 19:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

i am betting now that 'fix up look sharp' is the best track on the record by a zlillion miles

Chip Morningstar (bob), Thursday, 5 June 2003 21:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Please, someone put this album on Soulseek and I promise I'll buy it if it's as good as I think it's going to be (and maybe if it isn't too)

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 5 June 2003 21:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

On a side note - those of you fortunate enough to be able to deal with anti-leech may head to
http://ukgmp3s.cjb.net/
in the mp3s section there are four MC versions of Wiley's Ice Rink riddim (which in itself is so sparse and raw it's silly, though perhaps "Igloo" even trumps it in that respect), including the one with Dizzee riding it.

Mind Taker, Thursday, 5 June 2003 22:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Did the "I Luv You" video get alot of airplay in the UK? cuz I saw it on Mtv just now

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 7 June 2003 05:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

no it didnt get much radio airplay at all.

he's had loads of magazine coverage tho'

martin (martin), Saturday, 7 June 2003 09:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

some from yourself or are you a different Martin?


Is this on soulseek yet?

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 7 June 2003 10:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

tracklist please?

Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 7 June 2003 18:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

sittin' here; stop dat; i luv you; brand new day; 2 for (feat wiley); fix up, look sharp; cut 'em off; hold ya mouf (feat god's gift); round we go; jus' a rascal; wot u on; jezebel; seems 2 be; live o; do it.

Chris Houghton (chrish), Sunday, 8 June 2003 09:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

no 'we aint havin it'?

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 8 June 2003 10:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

from above:

the only upsetting thing about it is that the track i downloaded that had the "i ain't gonna lie / i ain't got a six pack / i got a bad temper and a baseball bat" line on it didn't get an update

addendum: or an inclusion.

Chris Houghton (chrish), Sunday, 8 June 2003 10:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

'Brand New Day' is the best track so far for me, it sums up the gangster/thinker comparison Chris Houghton made upthread perfectly and it has a such an infectious rhythm. This should be a single definitely.

ss, Sunday, 8 June 2003 13:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Seriously... This song is amazing. The music is really dreamy and disjointed with a melody that sounds like water dripping in a cave, and there's no bass line just strange kind of vibraphone bounces or something. It's quite sad. And Dizzee is talking about how y'know, it's a brand new day, he's gonna stop fucking around and do something - "pay money pay respect/don't insult my intellect". Fuck.

ss, Sunday, 8 June 2003 13:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's all the things everyone has said on this board and more, but I aint gonna use say too much here coz I have to write about it and don't want to use up everything I have to say here. The one thing that I've been really disappointed in with the press I've seen is that he's being painted as a kinda bad bwoy, scally MC but there is an immense amount of fragility and vulnerability (big up, whoever said this further up list) in his flows - there's a real sense of that adolescent duality: being a man, but not quite, finding your feet in the world but not knowing quite where they'll lead you, dreams and fears, arrogance and humility... that's what's so interesting about this record: yah he's fuckin' precociously talented and not afraid to say it, but scratch the surface and there's a lot of uncertainty and frailty beneath all the lyrical flexing...

and there's such insane lyrics & slang on it. anyone know what 'dis one strictly for pitneys' is about?

Martin, I can't remember this lyric offhand and can't find my CD inlay right now, but I'd hazard a guess that it's not "Pitney" as in Gene, but "pickney" as in Jamaican slang for child ;-) Asin "for the kids"...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Sunday, 8 June 2003 13:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

But he goes on to rhyme it with "Witney" (as in Houston) and "Christie" (as in Xtina) so "Pitney" makes more sense.

ss, Sunday, 8 June 2003 14:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

i'd still read it as a corruption of pickney or a half-rhyme in the first place, which he does quite a lot of... phuck knows what a Pitney is if it's anything different to this...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Sunday, 8 June 2003 14:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

How come all the hats he's wearin' in the "I Love You" video represent Los Angeles teams? Weird.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 8 June 2003 14:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well he's said that 'In Utero' is his favourite ever album, so the chances of him being a Gene Pitney fan aren't that far fetched..

ss, Sunday, 8 June 2003 14:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Don't get me wrong i'm overjoyed at the prospect of him including lines about Gene Pitney, but I just don't think it's likely and believe my theory to be more than likely correct! Anyway, I have to interview him in the next week, so I'll be able to get an answer from the horse's mouth and settle this once and for all...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Sunday, 8 June 2003 14:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

"There's a coupla rock tings... heavy rock n roll reggae ting... to prove i aint garage get me?"

(Excerpt from 1Xtra interview with Ace & Vis)

Can any advance copy heads explain please?

ss, Sunday, 8 June 2003 14:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Actually everyone should check this link out... there's some cool freestyling over a few hip hop instrumentals as well

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/1xtra_aod.shtml?1xtra_av_dizzee

ss, Sunday, 8 June 2003 14:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Anyone know where i can get an "I Luv You" 12" here in the states online? I can't find it anywhere.

Cub, Sunday, 8 June 2003 15:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Try the KRS distro

ss, Sunday, 8 June 2003 15:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

I saw it on Mtv again today

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 8 June 2003 16:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

And it ain't like I watch Mtv that much

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 8 June 2003 16:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

I haven't heard it in its entirety in a long time but whenever I hear anything from it I'm like yeah this is the shit

old homophobic boom bap rap traditionalist (The Reverend), Sunday, 27 October 2013 19:32 (ten years ago) link

http://soundcloud.com/uncledugs/dugsshotzdizzeewileytinchysyer

listened to this the other week and was just utterly blown away by him all over again.... most of the bars ended up on bidc but hearing them in this context, among his peers (even wiley, also on top form) really hits home what an astonishing, preternatural, fearlessly bright talent he truly was

r|t|c, Sunday, 27 October 2013 20:02 (ten years ago) link

yeah this is one of the best album of the 00's. i blast it quite a bit. pity now everyone (inc. him prob) sees it as some sort of babystep to a chart bursting monster he is today.

subaltern 8 (Michael B), Sunday, 27 October 2013 20:11 (ten years ago) link

how sad is "brand new day" ffs?

subaltern 8 (Michael B), Sunday, 27 October 2013 20:12 (ten years ago) link

the majority of it is p heartbreaking tbh, that one and "stop dat" and "i luv u" esp

shiny trippy people holding bandz (m bison), Sunday, 27 October 2013 22:34 (ten years ago) link

two years pass...

Hadn't listened to this in forever. Still sounds great, so electric and confident.

A nationally known air show announcer/personality (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 26 May 2016 02:46 (eight years ago) link

two thousand and slew was a long time ago

the unbearable jimmy smits (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 26 May 2016 03:08 (eight years ago) link

It's funny -- or maybe just predictable -- that this still sounds more futuristic than anything he did after.

A nationally known air show announcer/personality (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 26 May 2016 03:14 (eight years ago) link

i secretly hope that the skepta album might rejuvenate him.

StillAdvance, Thursday, 26 May 2016 09:19 (eight years ago) link

he had moments on each album (or b sides) after though that were as good or 'futuristic' as what was on BIDC

StillAdvance, Thursday, 26 May 2016 09:20 (eight years ago) link

The Skepta album isn't even in the same galaxy as this.

Matt DC, Thursday, 26 May 2016 09:32 (eight years ago) link

yep, this still sounds mighty

Neptune Bingo (Michael B), Thursday, 26 May 2016 10:15 (eight years ago) link

its not the same kind of album. but its a great grime album, regardless. but i think dizzee prob feels that hes done it all already so theres no need for him to go back to grime. shame though, id love to hear him over some of the more outre beats around (and yes i know the skepta album def is NOT remotely outre).

StillAdvance, Thursday, 26 May 2016 11:44 (eight years ago) link

I love his first three albums.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 May 2016 12:51 (eight years ago) link

same, i lost track after that.

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Thursday, 26 May 2016 14:19 (eight years ago) link

ditto. I haven't even heard "the fifth" although this track from it is pretty nifty. is the album worth checking out?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlzgDVLtU6g

Neptune Bingo (Michael B), Thursday, 26 May 2016 14:32 (eight years ago) link

Put it on 15 minutes. Yep, I think this album still has it.

Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 26 May 2016 14:38 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMzx-OzYICs

Dizzee's verse on this from 2014 is good

paolo, Thursday, 26 May 2016 18:01 (eight years ago) link

saw skepta on his recent 'pop-up' UK tour & when the DJ on beforehand played tht^, the crowd went nuts. (also went mental for desiigner's panda).

skepta record isn't even as good as JME's from last year.

||||||||, Thursday, 26 May 2016 20:08 (eight years ago) link

its not like he just fell off after BIDC, then suddenly popped up on daytime radio 1 with bonkers.

showtime -
stand up tall
graftin
respect me
knock knock
dream
girls
flyin
fickle
give u more
trapped
is this real?
off to work

maths + english
world outside (not that this makes it superior, but the intro to this sounds like james ferraro or OPN)
pussyole
flex
wanna be (though this really depends on how much you can tolerate lilly allen, i dont mind her, but she does push insufferability on this one)
u cant tell me nuffin
my life feat newham generals

im stopping at tongue in cheek as this is such a shift that you might as well include the whole thing. i never listened to the 5th properly, but i liked the stupidity of bassline junkie.

pagans/couple of stacks from 2014 arent bad. the song with giggs was good too. but his taste in beats is pretty uninteresting.

StillAdvance, Friday, 27 May 2016 09:03 (eight years ago) link

'Bubbles' still bangs.

Matt DC, Friday, 27 May 2016 09:30 (eight years ago) link

i laughed when i saw this was getting the full-on heritage album treatment in brooklyn of all places. still can't imagine a less exciting live experience than An Entire Album Played In Order

cher guevara (lex pretend), Friday, 27 May 2016 10:05 (eight years ago) link

and especially not THIS album of all albums! my goodness.

cher guevara (lex pretend), Friday, 27 May 2016 10:05 (eight years ago) link

dont get why RBMA put that BIDC show on in brooklyn either. surely it should have been in the assembly hall of his old secondary school?

StillAdvance, Friday, 27 May 2016 10:20 (eight years ago) link

given the kind of gig it was it was entirely appropriate that he was far from its origins imo. brooklyn can have it

cher guevara (lex pretend), Friday, 27 May 2016 10:22 (eight years ago) link

im fine with him doing one of those classic album shows (would only want to see it out of curiosity). its not really about making BIDC into some dull revered canon album, more allowing it to get the same dull revered canon treatment as other albums from other genres.

StillAdvance, Friday, 27 May 2016 10:46 (eight years ago) link

its not like he just fell off after BIDC, then suddenly popped up on daytime radio 1 with bonkers.

Oh yeah, I don't slight Showtime or M+E. Great songs on both. It's just BIDC arrived so fully formed, perfect union of sonics and voice.

A nationally known air show announcer/personality (tipsy mothra), Friday, 27 May 2016 12:21 (eight years ago) link

Interview with Dizzee's teacher:

http://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2016/05/dizzee-rascal-music-teacher-interview

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 29 May 2016 08:58 (eight years ago) link

three weeks pass...

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