2010 Magazine's Albums Of The Year Thread For Posting Lists and Discussion

regardless of whether the big boi album is an avant-garde wonder or not - what does this have to do with whether the wire should hive it props? should the wire stick rigidly to an orthodoxy partially being imposed from outside? why shouldn't it reward whatever it feels like? not every publication does criticism-by-consensus-hivemind like p4k, for which i am v grateful

*give it props

well the ironic thing about that is that Big Boi has appeared on a ton of these lists

How do you break down "this is here by hivemind fiat" from "this is here because a bunch of people actually liked it"?

lol i love that you don't disagree with my main point of thinking people who disagree with you as being rong and dishonest. the should die thing was hyperbole.

because people like arguing with me xp

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i was referring to the NYT article which we discussed on some other thread which basically revealed how p4k's ratings etc are done more by consensus, and with an eye on the site's "brand", than purely individual opinion - afaik no other publication actually does that, because it is mental

xps to dan

i think people who disagree with me are wrong, yes. thats the nature of it.
i explained why i thought one example of lex's writing was dishonest in the kanye thread. reread that argument & we dont have to rehash it here

xpost, uh, EVERY publication does that, just P4k does it more intensely

no publication i've ever written for has done it!

well every publication i've ever written for does it, so i don't know what to tell you

xxxxxp again

Yep (to Lex). Lil B "Rain in England" getting a write-up in the main reviews section (not that they liked it) is the kind of pandering to a house aesthetic that the Wire does do (wow! mainstreamish hip-hop guy makes an album that will alienate mainstream hiphop fans!), ranking Big Boi is a refreshingly unexpected move.

i was referring to the NYT article which we discussed on some other thread which basically revealed how p4k's ratings etc are done more by consensus, and with an eye on the site's "brand", than purely individual opinion - afaik no other publication actually does that, because it is mental

xps to dan

― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:10 AM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

LOL

rip everett true

Clusterfuck-avoiding xposts. I like it when they choose atypical tracks - not just Rill Rill but Sprawl II. It's the tracks list so it favours standalone songs over ones that are necessarily representative of the album.

I love Rill Rill because it has a whopping great sample from my favourite Funkadelic track. It's also the only Sleigh Bells track I can listen to with the fierce headache I've had all day.

Nice to see some recognition of Prins Thomas - I can see why it disappointed people but it's a good stoner krautrock record.

Yep (to Lex). Lil B "Rain in England" getting a write-up in the main reviews section (not that they liked it) is the kind of pandering to a house aesthetic that the Wire does do (wow! mainstreamish hip-hop guy makes an album that will alienate mainstream hiphop fans!), ranking Big Boi is a refreshingly unexpected move.

― seandalai, Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:13 AM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Lil B & Odd Future are exactly who the Wire should be ranking in year end ish.

and they did?

i was referring to the NYT article which we discussed on some other thread which basically revealed how p4k's ratings etc are done more by consensus, and with an eye on the site's "brand", than purely individual opinion - afaik no other publication actually does that, because it is mental

Well, Pitchfork is basically the textbook definition of "I WANNA BE A TASTEMAKER" so that's not only is that particularly surprising to me, it's completely expected (I didn't see that discussion/article and honestly couldn't care less about it).

and they did?

― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:15 AM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

which is why Big Boi seems dumb & relies more on a response to critical hype than anything resembling critical perspectives

Nice to see some recognition of Prins Thomas - I can see why it disappointed people but it's a good stoner krautrock record.

dorian did you ever hear the bjørn torske album? maybe my favourite artist album in the balearic disco field this year. been kinda overlooked.

i think we can officially declare pfork a tastemaker by nw

which is why Big Boi seems dumb & relies more on a response to critical hype than anything resembling critical perspectives

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:16 PM (18 seconds ago) Bookmark

could just be that they liked it?

no, that could never happen

Anyone willing and able to post any of the specialist charts from the Wire, pretty please??

then again that sounds like a pretty cruddy low kbps rip. (If it's meant to sound like that then I don't know what to think.)

ned, as someone who adores loveless, aka "is it MEANT to sound like this?? is my record player broken???" -- i would honestly think you are among the ideal target audience for sleigh bells -- there's a lot of parallels to be drawn there, right?

OK, I give up: what does "rdme" mean? (Probably just "read me" or something obvious, right?)

Well, Pitchfork is basically the textbook definition of "I WANNA BE A TASTEMAKER" so that's not only is that particularly surprising to me, it's completely expected (I didn't see that discussion/article and honestly couldn't care less about it).

yeah, i was just surprised they were so open about it, because that to me is the textbook definition of critical dishonesty - diluting individual critics' opinions for the sake of some "greater good".

which is why Big Boi seems dumb & relies more on a response to critical hype than anything resembling critical perspectives

what? does anything else about the wire list give the remotest impression they're even aware of mainstream critical hype, let alone influenced by it? the big boi album is, as you say, just ok - but it's a super-likeable and way catchy and replayable kind of ok; i'm not remotely surprised at any love given to it, from any quarters.

could just be that they liked it?

― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:16 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

its easy to like it when the rap you listen to is limited to rap cosigned by other critics in the bubble. im just giving them shit for not having an independent perspective

i think Big Boi on the Wire list represents the same thing Grinderman or Joanna Newsom does. "Here is an less-underground person who uses avant-garde ideas to make accessible music. We like that stuff too."

matos: rolling my damn eyes

ew. loveless is crafted with love and care to sound fuzzy and warm. sleigh bells just sounds broekn

<3 rdme

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its easy to like it when the rap you listen to is limited to rap cosigned by other critics in the bubble. im just giving them shit for not having an independent perspective

rmdfe. since when has wire been about what other critics think and not having an independent perspective?

Sleigh Bells sounds messy and brash and excited, which is why I love that album so much.

signed, thet last dude on earth who still loves Atari Teenage Riot

i think whiney makes a pretty logical case for why anyone, including the staff of 'the wire', would like the big boi record

"You know why we should put this obscure Czech trumpet player on the cover? Because Pitchfork covered him first."

yeah, i was just surprised they were so open about it, because that to me is the textbook definition of critical dishonesty - diluting individual critics' opinions for the sake of some "greater good".

I thought it was more like, the editorial crew figure out roughly what kind of score it's going to get, then find someone in the pool of reviewers whose opinions concur - ie kinda manipulative, but not really at the expense of the critic(s)

Lil B & Odd Future are exactly who the Wire should be ranking in year end ish.

Sure, but it's not like they were covering Lil B in the main section of the magazine until "Rain in England".

oh my god please don't let this thread turn into another "how your pitchfork sausages gets made" boreathon

it seems weird to jump down their throats more than any other publication -- sure their magazine basically runs on a bunch of outsider records, but critically acclaimed albums are that for a reason, cuz lots of ppl like them -- it doesn't seem like a very hard thing to figure out

Can we set up a killfile so deej, whiney, and a hoy hoy just don't see each others posts?

"You know why we should put this obscure Czech trumpet player on the cover? Because Pitchfork covered him first."

― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:22 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

obviously they arent quite as confident when it comes to rap

sorry yeah agreed xps

Can we set up a killfile so deej, whiney, and a hoy hoy just don't see each others posts?

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even if critics pay more attention to the album because dude was in one of the most beloved rap groups of all time for 20 years

Sure, but it's not like they were covering Lil B in the main section of the magazine until "Rain in England".

― seandalai, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:24 (43 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

rong, they did a page on him pretty early, I think before the thread on here got started for example

it seems weird to jump down their throats more than any other publication -- sure their magazine basically runs on a bunch of outsider records, but critically acclaimed albums are that for a reason, cuz lots of ppl like them -- it doesn't seem like a very hard thing to figure out

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:24 AM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

its because they are typically so independent in other music worlds that big boi feels like a cop to critical consensus

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― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:25 AM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dog

<3 deej and whiney both, but h8 every "big" thread turning into a deej/whiney fite