i dont have a stake in it but im not trying to 'protect' it i just dont think that this is particularly exciting news & is kinda lol
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i still think its hilar that i posted about this on ilx like three yrs ago & its just now suddenly a big dealnot that im saying was ahead of the curve -- i just think its lol how 'the curve' exists at all considering how long this stuff has been around.
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Sunday, 12 December 2010 11:03 (Yesterday) Bookmark
deej refers to the concept of a curve - the latency between juke originating and actually being noticed
however, even tho he was aware of juke years ago, ie not subject to 'the curve', he wasn't 'ahead of the curve'
this is amusing to him
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Monday, 13 December 2010 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link
brits discover new local dance form; integrate it into whatever IDM is being called at that time; no one outside that scene cares.
the thing is juke was 'noticed' earlier, its just who it is now being noticed by that makes this newsworthy
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i admit im being kind of harsh here on dubstep / night slugs etc. & i recognize that this stuff matters to lots of people -- i just think its a bit critically overhyped
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 02:22 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean mix this in w/ my general rmde about the echo chamber of criticism etc
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link
the crowd that gets into this stuff in the uk (and music spotters from the u.s. into dubstep) has some vested interest in a narrative about sonic 'progress' that doesnt actually relate to crossover
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 02:16 (1 minute ago) Bookmark
this is rather imputing motives to ppl u don't know
i mean there is some notion about 'progress' in the 'nuum' and related ideas which probably have a little bit of influence on the way producers think nowadays
syncretism has always been an element of that -- detroit, belgian hardcore, timabaland all influenced uk scenes
so obviously it has nothing to do with a crossover of those localized scenes in other places, tho by a side-effect it may introduce ppl to them -- eg uk person starting a thread about a 3+ yr old us microgenre learnt of via uk productions
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Monday, 13 December 2010 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 02:21 (3 minutes ago)
so juke has previously been noticed by other ppl, but nobody noticed those ppl while they were noticing it?
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Monday, 13 December 2010 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link
like the reverse-BAPE thing where japanese people only started wearing BAPES once american rappers did).
it's not really relevant to your point but you got that backwards deej
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 13 December 2010 02:32 (thirteen years ago) link
why would someone wish to believe that japanese people only started wearing BAPES once american rappers did?
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Monday, 13 December 2010 02:35 (thirteen years ago) link
― moonship journey to baja, Sunday, December 12, 2010 8:32 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark
my understanding was that japanese ppl made bapes but they werent selling outside of fashion world folks, but once american rappers started wearing them japanese rap fans did too, because american rappers were
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 02:54 (thirteen years ago) link
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Sunday, December 12, 2010 8:29 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
the uk is not the center of the world
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2202574862
what is the chicago tribune's circulation vs. the wire's
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 02:54 (14 minutes ago)
pretty sure it is [via gmt]
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Monday, 13 December 2010 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link
schooled by science
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 13 December 2010 03:14 (thirteen years ago) link
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Sunday, December 12, 2010 9:54 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark
.....
this stuff is big w/ chicago teens. the dude who wrote about this stuff for the wire is a friend of mine
― HOW I FOLD MY BANDANA (deej), Saturday, October 2, 2010 4:22 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark
are you talking quam? if so then you'd realize one of the biggest proponents of footwork in the media lately is out of chicago - that and combined with the fact that a lot of nightslugs and associated (since that seems to be what's referred to by "uk") are actually stateside it seems the calling out of the uk on this for whatever reason doesn't hold.
― fauxmarc, Monday, 13 December 2010 03:15 (thirteen years ago) link
if chicagoans think the newsworthiness of their own noticing of juke went sadly unnoticed, it's imperative they pay no notice to limey fuxx whose noticing of juke has become sadly newsworthy
― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Monday, 13 December 2010 03:16 (thirteen years ago) link
hes a proponent of 'getting it right' afaik -- like i said im ok with / supportive of these guys getting a larger audience, im just reasoning that there wont be much worthwhile music to come from this exposure
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 03:18 (thirteen years ago) link
FWIW Night Slugs seems more on a bmore tip by and large - the current crop of juke-inspired dubstep tunes feels a bit separate to that (though obv the general aesthetic is pretty indistinguishable and it wouldn't have shocked me to see those tunes being released on Night Slugs).
― Tim F, Monday, 13 December 2010 03:30 (thirteen years ago) link
bmore? really?
― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 13 December 2010 04:23 (thirteen years ago) link
to the extent that there is a recurrent trend, and heavily filtered through all their other influences obv.
you could say uk funky as well but I'm trying to avoid discussions of that issue.
― Tim F, Monday, 13 December 2010 04:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, Baltimore filtered through Diplo maybe.
And Lex can't get all huffy about that, Bok Bok has put in serious amounts of time on the Hollerboard.
He and Manara used to call themselves Faggatronix for chrissakes. They were intentionally parodying that whole aesthetic.
They picked up the whole chiptune influence from back when it was first starting to get mixed in with dubstep, threw some grime sounding basslines overtop of some electrohouse and voila: Night Slugs. I honestly admire their work ethic and their ability to promote themselves.
― sistern, Monday, 13 December 2010 05:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Bok Bok has put in serious amounts of time on the Hollerboard.
i have no horse in this race & don't listen to any of this stuff but lol @ this phrase
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 December 2010 05:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, go check his post count. I am that big a nerd.
― sistern, Monday, 13 December 2010 05:19 (thirteen years ago) link
ha, i believe you -- i just think "put in serious amounts of time on the Hollerboard" is hilarious, sorry
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 December 2010 05:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know, how else do you market music to blog DJs?
A lot of music that gets played in my town might as well have just had a program that reads XML feeds and beatmatches the songs as an actual DJ behind the screen. Its the most trite paint by numbers scene I can think of. And I spent a couple years inside so I guess I should know.
― sistern, Monday, 13 December 2010 05:29 (thirteen years ago) link
"X has put in serious amounts of time on the Hollerboard" is a decent display name IMO.
― Tim F, Monday, 13 December 2010 06:27 (thirteen years ago) link
for deej it would actually be true
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 December 2010 06:34 (thirteen years ago) link
thats a shipley zing you fucked up son
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 06:47 (thirteen years ago) link
im the sage francis board, Al is the hollerboard. 5 yard penalty
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 06:48 (thirteen years ago) link
for the last hour the dudes descended from relatively populist house-dance rmxes to fukkin dubstep tracks that ppl stomp around drunkenly to.
haha this is why so many of the djs and producers i know in london set up their own nights. it's obvious that a lot of ilm people have a fixed, set idea of what night slugs and its many affiliates are about - the white middle-class thing is frankly hilarious - but, y'know, remember you're as far away from them as non-chicagoans are from juke.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 09:42 (thirteen years ago) link
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 02:21 (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
ie people who run record labels/actually make it available to buy; people who play it out at club nights/actually make it available to dance to? Don't really think it's unreasonable that their input might be considered more valuable than, idk, someone on Dissensus or wherever spending his evenings clicking through Youtube links
― Princess BigSam (DJ Mencap), Monday, 13 December 2010 10:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Lex what do you think of "Footcrab".
― Tim F, Monday, 13 December 2010 10:11 (thirteen years ago) link
i think it's boring
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 10:12 (thirteen years ago) link
i saw it getting raved about before i heard it and was so underwhelmed when i heard it
also, it's no better when you actually hear it in a club
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 10:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh good I was worried you were gonna defend it.
I don't know why people are talking about Night Slugs in this thread tbh.
― Tim F, Monday, 13 December 2010 10:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Deej you are falling over yourself to appear clued-up and showing your cluelessness in the process. IDM has nothing to do with this scene, even in scare quotes - post-dubstep is another matter but isn't relevant here. But Night Slugs isn't really the important label here, it's Planet Mu and Mike Paradinas, who *is* IDM but as far as I know he's not even trying to make juke himself.
I think of Night Slugs and affiliates as basically magpie-ish - people with very good record collections who like a lot of stuff, want to play it out and throw a lot of different elements into their aesthetic - 2-step, funky, rnb, juke, dubstep, Baltimore, early 90s pop house, South African house, grime... and that's just going on the sets I've heard. So their sets can go all over the place in terms of beats in particular, they're not actually that dissimilar to Diplo in those terms but not as ostentatiously "global". Lex that's fair, no?
― Matt DC, Monday, 13 December 2010 10:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Also "Footcrab" is a fucking horrible word.
― Matt DC, Monday, 13 December 2010 10:29 (thirteen years ago) link
it sounds like something that would put you permanently out of work
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 December 2010 10:29 (thirteen years ago) link
or maybe that's crabfoot idk
yeah, though w/night slugs i'd probably say that their old booty bass and ghetto house influences are more important than any contemporary genre - and while as a label it can seem magpie-ish, i don't think any specific producer really is - and it's what links their seemingly disparate sounds that's more important. i know bok bok's tended to go with the "just call it HOUSE" line recently w/r/t there still not being a proper genre name for them (admittedly this makes a ton more sense re: his dj sets than his productions)
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 10:32 (thirteen years ago) link
actually yeah the stuff the NS crew grew up on is a way better summation of what they're about than the stuff that's within their orbit now. grime, booty bass, ghettotech, r&b, 90s house.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 10:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually the Night Slugs stuff I actually like is the stuff that edges much closer to straight house. I don't think they need a genre name because it's not actually a genre, there's too much variance in the beats.
― Matt DC, Monday, 13 December 2010 10:35 (thirteen years ago) link
post-dubstep is another matter but isn't relevant here.
Uhhh, wrong Matt, juke-inspired post-dubstep is pretty much that whole scene's big new development of 2010.
― Tim F, Monday, 13 December 2010 10:37 (thirteen years ago) link
(give or take james blake stannery)
This is by far the best example (though it's not like it's a field crowded with classics):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utvgs27fT4U
― Tim F, Monday, 13 December 2010 10:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I was actually talking about the floatier end of post-dubstep - Subeena, James Blake, Mt Kimbie etc. But yeah point taken about Ramadanman, although I think of him as dubstep proper even when he isn't.
― Matt DC, Monday, 13 December 2010 10:45 (thirteen years ago) link
just a quick question: has there ever been a worse name for a dubstep artist than Ramadanman? is he the standard bearer?
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Monday, 13 December 2010 10:50 (thirteen years ago) link
He's increasingly recording as Pearson Sound now so maybe he agrees. Possibly overcompensating, seeing as Pearson Sound sounds like one of those places audiophiles go to buy very expensive hi-fi systems.
― Matt DC, Monday, 13 December 2010 10:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Apparently he's phasing out the name in favour of Pearson Sound. Good move. ha ha xpost.
I think that the notion of IDM tendencies and dancefloor tendencies being obviously separate from one another is dead and buried at this point if it ever really was true - and it's relevant that ultimately the single most important IDM in terms of longterm impact is probably early Black Dog, which was still dancefloor friendly, albeit fitfully so . The spectre of IDM is much more diffuse nowadays, and rarely inhabits anything fully, more typically relationally.
― Tim F, Monday, 13 December 2010 10:58 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah ramadanman reaaaaaally doesn't like that name (and nor should he)
ha xps
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 11:01 (thirteen years ago) link