for fuck's sake GO AWAY BOTH OF YOU
― BO (DJP), Thursday, 9 December 2010 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
or at least get a private room. cripes, shit is embarrassing.
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Thursday, 9 December 2010 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, you guys think we're annoying, but HOW DO KIDS FEEL?
― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 December 2010 21:20 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm banned again aren't I?
― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 December 2010 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
the internet is probably bad for everyone but far worse for some
― omar little, Thursday, 9 December 2010 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
a few weeks in, i still like this record a lot, am still disgusted by it on a real level but in a way that doesn't interfere with the enjoyment, and "devil in a new dress" still sucks almost as bad as chris rock & fergie. except i don't die when i fail to move fast enough to skip the first notes of "devil". surprised that it's had this much staying power, as i assumed it'd be something i'd marvel at for a week or two then never want to hear again.
re dead & stinking prog argument: it's not like people were senselessly projecting that term onto the album. on such an excessive and (endlessly) arguably "ambitious" album, frontloading an obvious king crimson sample and building several other tracks around prog-era vocal samples that sound like jon anderson (oldfield and manfred mann tracks) tends to invite the comparison. so the discussion upthread was on-point: does it really make sense to call it a "prog rap" album, once you've processed the fact that kanye is taking tips from prog and vaguely proggish rock?
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 December 2010 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
re dead & stinking prog argument:
stop fucking the corpse then, you necro
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I am intentionally ignoring your attempt to revive the prog argument in favor of saying that I really like the tracks on here that I like and I really dislike the tracks on here that I dislike. I initially thought I liked the likes enough to pull this album into my personal top 10 but it turns out this has more in common with MAYA than I originally thought (contains some of my favorite songs of the year but deeply deeply flawed as an album).
― BO (DJP), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link
is it a fact that he's "taking tips"? when people sample little bits of old records, especially Kanye, and especially songs like "Power" where he basically heard another producer submit the beat to Rhymefest and decided to use it and add some stuff, I don't really picture him sitting there listening to the entire King Crimson LP and being substantially influenced by it.
― Local Hardman (some dude), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link
i liked this album more on my last couple albums than i did initially but it's still kind of just sitting there, doesn't really move me, physically or emotionally.
― Local Hardman (some dude), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
on my last couple LISTENS
nah, it's clearly art-rap - more Bowie than Yes.
xps
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
sometimes, when I'm in the right mood, the ludicrous codas make me laugh; most of the time I just skip them (except, weirdly, for "Blame Game", I think because of the Aphex sample)
― BO (DJP), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.blogcdn.com/blog.moviefone.com/media/2010/08/nekromantik.jpg
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
well that was necessary
― BO (DJP), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
whose dark twisted fantasy is this?
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
is it a fact that he's "taking tips"?
i knew someone was gonna swing at that.
anyway, MAYA seems a good comparison, in that they're both identity-defining event albums from stars who've risen over the past 5 years, and they've attracted a lot of attention weird little pocket universe where pitchfork indie intersects with pop. and they're both kind of a mess, defensive products of people who seem to wall themselves up behind a sense of embattlement and paranoia. and i like them both, though i wouldn't call either a favorite. in some ways, they're more fun to reflect on, raise an eyebrow at and/or talk about than to listen to.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
multi-xpost: "art-rap" is good — I still kinda like "glam-rap" but that doesn't seem like it's gonna catch on (oh well)
― unemployed aerosmith fans I have shoved (bernard snowy), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think MAYA is a mess at all.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link
It's sonically surprising but of a piece.
"...a lot of attention in the weird little pocket universe..."
^ note
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
The middle section of MAYA still feels like a lazy copout to me, like taking the "oh I'll just record any old shit" vibe of "Mango Pickle Down River" and extending it over three consecutive tracks.
"Teqkilla", "Lovalot" and "Illygirl" own tho
― BO (DJP), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link
recent kanye is kinda glam
― Local Hardman (some dude), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
OTM:
http://www.soulstrut.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/67374/P420/jamesPosted: 07 December 2010 12:38 PMI keep wishing this record were either smarter or more honest, one of the two. It's not honest enough that I feel like I'm really getting warts and all, but nor is it smart enough that I feel like whatever's being held back is being held back intentionally. It's not focused enough to be a real deep listen, but it's calculated enough that I can't quite convince myself to hear its inconsistency as, you know, a sign of its flawed humanity or whatever.
Sonically, I think it's kinda lacking presence. It's relevant, though, and you can't front on that.
It's definitely a weather-report record, and as such it does deliver a certain electricity. But while it may stand for a minute as a sonic/aspirational yardstick, I can't imagine that in and of itself it will still have much spark six months from now. I'll be surprised if this one retains cultural or individual resonance beyond its commercial moment like 808s did.
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link
MDTF is his David Live.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link
belongs in a different thread, but i've sort of run in circles with MAYA. it initially struck me as bleak, hopelessly muddled and only occasionally successful, but i played it to death over the course of a week, and gradually came to love everything about it. but in retrospect, i've come back around in my appreciation to where i'm now somewhere between the two points. it's good, occasionally great, but the one thing it doesn't sound, to me, is "of a piece". it's more like a jigsaw puzzle than an album, and i keep changing the running order, swapping tracks in and out to make sense of it.
MBDTF has different problems, in that it does sound of a piece, but the whole is rather ugly. DJP OTM re: "teqkilla" (which threw me at first) and "illygirl", but i'd swap "lovealot" for "born free", "xxxo" and/or "meds & feds".
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah that soulstrut post is pretty on point. not sure what graemlin would convey that, though.
― Local Hardman (some dude), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
nailing it down in that soulstrut post
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
soulstrut post pinpoints my problem with the album's POV and self-awareness. wish i could have thought that through and articulated it on my own, but i'm glad someone did. but, even if MBDTF isn't smart or honest enough to make real virtues of its many flaws, the absence of humanizing virtue helps give it a grotesque, darkly comic kind of trainwreck appeal.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
the google connected to the government
― Erykah Badiou (markers), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
("Born Free" and "XXXO" are also great; "Meds and Feds" is okay but I've come to enjoy the Sleigh Bells song it samples more)
For me, there are certain songs on this that will still spark six months from now ("Power", "Monster", "Runaway", "Hell of a Life", "Blame Game" and "Lost in the World"). As an overall album, this isn't as good as 808s or LR; I kind of view it on par with Graduation.
― BO (DJP), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i still like this album, though i usually stop listening at "blame game" (i think i've maybe only heard "lost in the world" once or twice (!?!)). i don't really care how truthful it is or whether it's prog or glam, i just think it's a really visceral, exciting album. it fits in my wheelhouse of dense, energetic, loud music.
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
"lost in the world" is great though!
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
the Sleigh Bells song it samples
o_O
― goole, Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
not much talk of the album concept/story here which is largely because you'd have to see the short film to really pick up on it and everyone just accepts that it's a really lame and So Appalling story right?
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
"Meds & Feds"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R86GH2wmx2o&feature=fvst
"Treats"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnSuRHiW988
"samples" isn't the right word really, but yeah
― BO (DJP), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
oh ha i didn't read closely enough and didn't think you were talking about MIA
― goole, Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
am still disgusted by it on a real level but in a way that doesn't interfere with the enjoyment
just like hard porn amirite
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
okay Kanye sampling "Rachel" would be kind of amazing
― BO (DJP), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Has anyone gone hard on Runaway? I find myself liking the beat more and more but Kanye is p lame on top it. If it was 8 minutes of Pusha it would be A+++
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i like itit's a good sing-along song
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Kanye is completely inconsequential on "Runaway"; that song is all hook and really all the better for it.
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link
the part where he's belting out incompetently/incoherently "RUNAWAY FROM ME BEH BEH DRNENENEN CRAZY" is like the nadir of the album for me.
― some dude, Friday, 10 December 2010 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
yr nutz!
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link
you're into the vaguely melodic mumbling?
― some dude, Friday, 10 December 2010 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link
best part of the track imo.
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
but then it may be my fave track of the year.
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
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wtf, isn't like sonic youth your favorite band?
― in my world of young puppies (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link
really would love to hear some youtube fiend put the first verse of "Runaway" after the first chorus in Natalie Imbruglia's "Torn."
― da croupier, Friday, 10 December 2010 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
there's a huge difference between rock singers working within their limitations and a rapper trying to belt out a big R&B hook and collapsing into a puddle of consonants
― some dude, Friday, 10 December 2010 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link