ILM Metal/other 'metal' subgenres 2010 POLL NOMINATIONS THREAD CLOSES Saturday 19 December - All are welcome.

And way more than four want it eligible.

i bet i can find four guys who agree it should be in & would vote for it

lol xp

Karma to Burn - Appalachian Incantation
Sahara Surfers - Spacetrip on a Paper Plane
Dead Meadow - Three Kings
Hansel - Never Say Die
Stone Sour - Audio Secrecy
Across Tundras - Old World Wanderer

And Killing Joke aren't metal either. Even if Phil puts them on a year end metal list.

wait a min. stone sour??? are you markers?

Skullflower should totally be on there btw -- shit is waaaayyyy heavier than Sunn O))) even

It shouldn't be shocking that a metal/"heavy rock" poll is exclusionary. That's the point. Taylor Swift and Flying Lotus are also excluded, along with lots of other stuff. It'll be more fun if you just quit bitching and let it go.

I've not heard the newest skullflower so i will include them for now.

lol @ having stone sour nominated, but excluding several of the year's great albums

ez you want the wildildlife put back up then?

I'm not shocked, but I think it's hilarious that people can draw this imaginary line somewhere that's not exactly static. Like I said upthread, it's not like anyone's coming in here nominating Rihanna.

I don't have a problem with wildildlife. And if people have a problem with Killing Joke, we can take them off.

anyway i'll come back when i've cooled down a bit. this is ridiculous, we should've let the poll be run either without a nominations list, or without a couple arrogant vetoes spoiling a good number of voters' ballots in advance.

never had such a strict nominations process in 2008/09 btw! i think several of you are getting crankier w/ age

some of those noms were not-so-subtle digs, obv.

btw i'd like to nominate

Rihanna - Loud

k thx

i <3 u, ilxor

ez you want the wildildlife put back up then?

Probably not going to vote for and I doubt anyone else would. Just had it on my list of heavy stuff I liked this year.

There's nothing "arrogant" about my veto -- Swans are postpunk. Punk is not metal(or what is meant by heavy rock here), and postpunk isn't metal, even if there is metal crossover with both, and even if there is some heaviness involved.

Swans were postpunk in 1985, when being postpunk was still a concern. In 2010, they're Swans. No qualification necessary.

everything in this poll is post-punk -- punk happened in the '70s, this is 2010

Okay, if someone is going to nominate the Ozzy album, I'm going to one up it and nominate a far better album by a rock survivor:

Rob Zombie - Hellbilly Deluxe 2

Then we can have a Swans year-end poll and they will win.

zzzzzzzz

Zombi was nominated last year

and look at the complaints it got (and marnie stern the year before)

More stuff that should be DQ'd (Even if I nominated it) according to the nebulous criteria of the day:

Across Tundras - Old World Wanderer - sorry, Crazy Horse isn't metal
Boris & Ian Astbury - BXI - ha ha ha you kid, right?
Celestiial - Where Life Springs Eternal - a rough night in the woods isn't heavy, dude.
Danzig - Deth Red Sabaoth - cat litter is not credible
Killing Joke - Absolute Dissent - Goth
Ratt - Infestation - glam
Torche - Songs for Singles - I like Helmet too, but no
U.S. Christmas/Minsk/Harvestman - Hawkwind Triad - Various Artists, automatic disqualification
Wino - Adrift - Wino is metal, this is not
Wolf People - Steeple - Wolf in the name - automatic veto
Yakuza - Of Seismic Consequence - jazz-skronk

Zombi wasn't just nominated, it placed pretty damn high. Marnie didn't place, did it?

Wolf in the name - automatic veto

I guess I should be thankful Wolves in the Throne Room didn't have an album this out this year.

There goes my Wolf Parade dream

. Marnie didn't place, did it?

it did

This is ILM. If you want to administer a purist sort of poll, take it elsewhere. No malice intended, but that's just the way it be. Donna Summer's "I Feel Love" was just voted the #3 song of the century here. You think that would happen anywhere else? Unlikely. It's kind of why I love this place.

Marnie Stern - 41 in 2008. Zombi - 12 in 2009. Swans - DQ'd in 2010.

and so is marnies 2010 album

i assume noone wants a tracks poll?

if i ever needed one shining example of why i don't like being on poll threads, now i've got one. i have actual children who fight about stupid shit. i come here to relax.

and i like all you guys. you know, for the most part.

try and have some fun, people! you might like it.

you think this is bad scott, go look at the car crash of the alltime poll.

For the record, the year-end poll J0rdan and I will be running very soon will only have two qualifications. The songs/albums you nominate will have to have been released someplace in the world for the first time in 2010, but no longer than a year or two ago anywhere else in the world. Also, songs/albums leaked ahead of a 2011 release are ineligible.

That's it. Simple and easy. No fuss, no muss.

and a non-specialist poll.

True, but why don't you give the people who actually wish to participate in your genre poll some credit? Vetoing nominations arbitrarily is about the most "fuck you people" thing I can think of (at least in the realm of online polling).

As Jeff already stated the metal poll started because lots of album that were really good were not getting into the big poll due to the fact that it was a big general poll. Nothing against that,they're great polls, but this poll was to cover niche stuff. Yes some things cross over but as much as i love metal mags like terrorizer covering swans, it doesn't feel right them being in this poll. It's not just me but others too. Including several people who love Swans. We all know the Swans album will place high in the poll you're doing (i assume musically has decided not to do it this year?).

Than axe Joke too. They're even more post-punk than Swans.

Than=then. Rarely screw it up that way round.

Another update (added stuff myself)

1349 - Demonoir
Across Tundras - Old World Wanderer
Agalloch - Marrow of the Spirit
Alcest - Écailles De Lune
An Autumn for Crippled Children - Lost
Apostle Of Solitude - Last Sunrise
Arabrot - Revenge
Armored Saint – La Raza
Arsis - Starve for the Devil
Atheist - Jupiter
Atlantean Kodex - The Golden Bough
Barn Owl - Ancestral Star
Bison B.C. - Dark Ages
Black Breath - Heavy Breathing
Black Sun - Twilight Of The Gods
Black Tusk - Taste The Sin
Blind Guardian - at the Edge of Time
Boris - Variations
Boris & Ian Astbury - BXI
Burzum - Belus
Castevet - Mounds of Ash
Cathedral - The Guessing Game
Celeste - Morte(s) Nee(s)
Celestiial - Where Life Springs Eternal
Christian Mistress - Agony & Opium
Coffinworm - When All Became None
Coliseum - House With a Curse
Conan - Horseback Battle Hammer
Cough - Ritual Abuse
Crystal Viper - Legends
Danzig - Deth Red Sabaoth
Darkblack - Midnight Wraith
Darkthrone - Circle the Wagons
Daughters - S/T
Dawnbringer - Nucleus
Dead Meadow - Three Kings
Death Angel - Relentless Retribution
Deathspell Omega - Paracletus
Decrepit Birth - Polarity
Deftones - Diamond Eyes
Dio - At Donington UK: Live 1983 & 1987
Double Negative - Daydreamnation
Dråpsnatt - Hymner till undergången
Drudkh - Handful of Stars
Ea - Au Ellai
Early Graves - Goner
Eibon - Entering Darkness
Electric Wizard - Black Masses
Embryonic Devourment - Vivid Interpretations of the Void
Enslaved - Axioma Ethica Odini
Envy - Recitation
Exodus - Exhibit B: The Human Condition
Exodus – Exhibit B: The Human Condition
Father Befouled - Morbid Destitution of Covenant
Fear Factory - Mechanize
Flesh Consumed - Ecliptic Dimensions of Suffering
Furze - Reaper Subconscious Guide
Ghost - Opus Eponymous
Gnaw Their Tongues - L'Arrivée De La Terne Mort Triomphante
Gozu - Locust Season
Grand Magus - Hammer Of The North
Hail of Bullets - On Divine Winds
Halford - Made of Metal
Hansel - Never Say Die
Harvey Milk - A Small Turn Of Human Kindness
Hey Colossus & The Van Halen Time Capsule - Eurogrumble vol 1
High On Fire - Snakes For The Divine
Hooded Menace - Never Cross The Dead
Horseback - The Invisible Mountain
Howl - Full Of Hell
Humanfly - Darker Later
Ihsahn - After
Immolation- Majesty and Decay
In Mourning - Monolith
Integrity- The Blackest Curse
Intronaut - Valley of Smoke
Iron Maiden - The Final Frontier
Jesu - Heart Ache & Dethroned
Jucifer - Throned in Blood
Karma to Burn - Appalachian Incantation
Kayo Dot - Coyote
Kill the Client - Set for Extinction
Killing Joke - Absolute Dissent
Knut - Wonder
Kongh - Shadows Of The Shapeless
Krieg - The Isolationist
Kvelertak - Kvelertak
Kylesa - Spiral Shadow
Lair of the Minotaur - Evil Power
Lantlôs - .neon
Le Kraken - Exalt
Les Discrets - Septembre Et Ses Dernieres Pensees
Ludicra - The Tenant
Mael Mordha - Manannan
Magnus Pelander - Magnus Pelander EP
Mar De Grises - Stream Inwards
Mares Of Thrace - The Moulting
Master Musicians Of Bukkake - Totem Two
Melechesh - Epigenesis
Melvins - The Bride Screamed Murder
Menace Ruine - Union of Irreconcilables
Mob Rules - The Donor
Monster Magnet - Mastermind
Motorpsycho - Heavy Metal Fruit
Murmuure - Murmuure
Nachtmystium - Addicts: Black Meddle Part II
Nadja - Under the Jaguar Sun
Nails - Unsilent Death
Nails - Unsilent Death
Negura Bunget - Vîrstele Pamîntului
Negură Bunget - Vîrstele pămîntului
Neurosis - Live at Roadburn 2007
October Tide - A Thin Shell
Opeth - Live Concert At The Royal Albert Hall
Orphaned Land - The Never Ending Way of ORwarriOR
Ov Hell - The Underworld Regime
Ozzy Osbourne - Scream
Pathfinder - Beyond the Space, Beyond the Time
PIVIXKI - Gravissima
Ramesses - Take The Curse
Ratt - Infestation
Retro Grave - Again
Rosetta - A Determinism of Morality
Rotting Christ – AEALO
Sahara Surfers - Spacetrip on a Paper Plane
Sahg - III
Sailors With Wax Wings - Sailors With Wax Wings
Salome - Terminal
Samsara Blues Experiment - Long Distance Trip
Serpentina Satelite - Mecanica Celeste
Shining - Blackjazz
Sigh - Scenes from Hell
Slough Feg - Animal Spirits
Solace - A.D.
Solefald - Norrøn Livskunst
Spitit Descent - Doominion
Stargazer - A Great Work Of Ages
Stone Sour - Audio Secrecy
Suma - Ashes
Sungrazer - Sungrazer
Sweet Cobra - Mercy
Tarja Turunen - What Lies Beneath
The Austerity Program - Backsliders and Apostates Will Burn
The Body - All The Waters Of The Earth Turn To Blood
The Dillinger Escape Plan - Option Paralysis
The Flight Of Sleipnir - Lore
The Howling Wind - Into The Cryosphere
The Ocean - Anthropocentric
The Ocean - Heliocentric
The Red Sparowes - The Fear Is Excruciating
The Sword - Warp Riders
The Wounded Kings - The Shadow Over Atlantis
Thou - Summit
Torche - Songs for Singles
Trees - Freed Of This Flesh
Triptykon - Eparistera Daimones
Triptykon - Shatter
Twilight - Monument To Time End
U.S. Christmas - Run Thick In The Night
U.S. Christmas/Minsk/Harvestman - Hawkwind Triad
Ufomammut - Eve
Ultralyd - Inertiadrome
Unearthly Trance - V
Voltax - Fugitive State of Mind
Watain - Lawless Darkness
White Hills - White Hills
Wildildlife - Give It To Live
Wino - Adrift
Withered - Dualitas
Wolf People - Steeple
Wormrot - Abuse
Yakuza - Of Seismic Consequence
Year Of No Light - Ausserwelt
Zoroaster - Matador

Eldjudnir - Ragnarok
Limbonic Art - Phantasmagoria

oh yeah I forgot to remove U.S. Christmas/Minsk/Harvestman - Hawkwind Triad

will remove from spreadsheet.
xp and add those

1349 - Demonoir
Across Tundras - Old World Wanderer
Agalloch - Marrow of the Spirit
Alcest - Écailles De Lune
An Autumn for Crippled Children - Lost
Apostle Of Solitude - Last Sunrise
Arabrot - Revenge
Armored Saint – La Raza
Arsis - Starve for the Devil
Atheist - Jupiter
Atlantean Kodex - The Golden Bough
Barn Owl - Ancestral Star
Bison B.C. - Dark Ages
Black Breath - Heavy Breathing
Black Sun - Twilight Of The Gods
Black Tusk - Taste The Sin
Blind Guardian - at the Edge of Time
Boris - Variations
Boris & Ian Astbury - BXI
Burzum - Belus
Castevet - Mounds of Ash
Cathedral - The Guessing Game
Celeste - Morte(s) Nee(s)
Celestiial - Where Life Springs Eternal
Christian Mistress - Agony & Opium
Coffinworm - When All Became None
Coliseum - House With a Curse
Conan - Horseback Battle Hammer
Cough - Ritual Abuse
Crystal Viper - Legends
Danzig - Deth Red Sabaoth
Darkblack - Midnight Wraith
Darkthrone - Circle the Wagons
Daughters - S/T
Dawnbringer - Nucleus
Dead Meadow - Three Kings
Death Angel - Relentless Retribution
Deathspell Omega - Paracletus
Decrepit Birth - Polarity
Deftones - Diamond Eyes
Dio - At Donington UK: Live 1983 & 1987
Double Negative - Daydreamnation
Dråpsnatt - Hymner till undergången
Drudkh - Handful of Stars
Ea - Au Ellai
Early Graves - Goner
Eibon - Entering Darkness
Eldjudnir - Ragnarok
Electric Wizard - Black Masses
Eluveitie - Everything Remains as It Never Was
Embryonic Devourment - Vivid Interpretations of the Void
Enslaved - Axioma Ethica Odini
Envy - Recitation
Exodus - Exhibit B: The Human Condition
Exodus – Exhibit B: The Human Condition
Father Befouled - Morbid Destitution of Covenant
Fear Factory - Mechanize
Flesh Consumed - Ecliptic Dimensions of Suffering
Furze - Reaper Subconscious Guide
Ghost - Opus Eponymous
Gnaw Their Tongues - L'Arrivée De La Terne Mort Triomphante
Gozu - Locust Season
Grand Magus - Hammer Of The North
Hail of Bullets - On Divine Winds
Halford - Made of Metal
Hansel - Never Say Die
Harvey Milk - A Small Turn Of Human Kindness
Hey Colossus & The Van Halen Time Capsule - Eurogrumble vol 1
High On Fire - Snakes For The Divine
Hooded Menace - Never Cross The Dead
Horseback - The Invisible Mountain
Howl - Full Of Hell
Humanfly - Darker Later
Ihsahn - After
Immolation- Majesty and Decay
In Mourning - Monolith
Integrity- The Blackest Curse
Intronaut - Valley of Smoke
Iron Maiden - The Final Frontier
Jesu - Heart Ache & Dethroned
Jucifer - Throned in Blood
Karma to Burn - Appalachian Incantation
Kayo Dot - Coyote
Kill the Client - Set for Extinction
Killing Joke - Absolute Dissent
Knut - Wonder
Kongh - Shadows Of The Shapeless
Krieg - The Isolationist
Kvelertak - Kvelertak
Kylesa - Spiral Shadow
Lair of the Minotaur - Evil Power
Lantlôs - .neon
Le Kraken - Exalt
Les Discrets - Septembre Et Ses Dernieres Pensees
Limbonic Art - Phantasmagoria
Ludicra - The Tenant
Mael Mordha - Manannan
Magnus Pelander - Magnus Pelander EP
Mar De Grises - Stream Inwards
Mares Of Thrace - The Moulting
Master Musicians Of Bukkake - Totem Two
Melechesh - Epigenesis
Melvins - The Bride Screamed Murder
Menace Ruine - Union of Irreconcilables
Mob Rules - The Donor
Monster Magnet - Mastermind
Motorpsycho - Heavy Metal Fruit
Murmuure - Murmuure
Nachtmystium - Addicts: Black Meddle Part II
Nadja - Under the Jaguar Sun
Nails - Unsilent Death
Nails - Unsilent Death
Negura Bunget - Vîrstele Pamîntului
Negură Bunget - Vîrstele pămîntului
Neurosis - Live at Roadburn 2007
October Tide - A Thin Shell
Opeth - Live Concert At The Royal Albert Hall
Orphaned Land - The Never Ending Way of ORwarriOR
Ov Hell - The Underworld Regime
Ozzy Osbourne - Scream
Pathfinder - Beyond the Space, Beyond the Time
PIVIXKI - Gravissima
Ramesses - Take The Curse
Ratt - Infestation
Retro Grave - Again
Rosetta - A Determinism of Morality
Rotting Christ – AEALO
Sahara Surfers - Spacetrip on a Paper Plane
Sahg - III
Sailors With Wax Wings - Sailors With Wax Wings
Salome - Terminal
Samsara Blues Experiment - Long Distance Trip
Serpentina Satelite - Mecanica Celeste
Shining - Blackjazz
Sigh - Scenes from Hell
Slough Feg - Animal Spirits
Solace - A.D.
Solefald - Norrøn Livskunst
Spitit Descent - Doominion
Stargazer - A Great Work Of Ages
Stone Sour - Audio Secrecy
Suma - Ashes
Sungrazer - Sungrazer
Sweet Cobra - Mercy
Tarja Turunen - What Lies Beneath
The Austerity Program - Backsliders and Apostates Will Burn
The Body - All The Waters Of The Earth Turn To Blood
The Dillinger Escape Plan - Option Paralysis
The Flight Of Sleipnir - Lore
The Howling Wind - Into The Cryosphere
The Ocean - Anthropocentric
The Ocean - Heliocentric
The Red Sparowes - The Fear Is Excruciating
The Sword - Warp Riders
The Wounded Kings - The Shadow Over Atlantis
Thou - Summit
Torche - Songs for Singles
Trees - Freed Of This Flesh
Triptykon - Eparistera Daimones
Triptykon - Shatter
Twilight - Monument To Time End
U.S. Christmas - Run Thick In The Night
Ufomammut - Eve
Ultralyd - Inertiadrome
Unearthly Trance - V
Voltax - Fugitive State of Mind
Watain - Lawless Darkness
White Hills - White Hills
Wildildlife - Give It To Live
Wino - Adrift
Withered - Dualitas
Wolf People - Steeple
Wormrot - Abuse
Yakuza - Of Seismic Consequence
Year Of No Light - Ausserwelt
Zoroaster - Matador

Angel Witch - Stoned
Lesbian - Stratospheria Cubensis
Liveride - Туманами

Also, Horseback - The Invisible Mountain is from 2009.

ugh sorry that's supposed to be:

Acid Witch - Stoned

Yeah, consider me a vetyo for Killing Joke too then. I love them, but they're more post-punk than Swans are. Having Dave Grohl play on an album doesn't automatically qualify you.

That makes three vetoes (though mine should've been enough).