okay okay. can we change the poll title, then?
ILM Metal/Heavy Rock & other 'metal' subgenres 2010 POLL NOMINATIONS THREAD CLOSES 31/12 - All are welcome, as long as you vote for albums that we arbitrarily approve them. Oh, and don't worry, one of the year's best albums won't win because we've eliminated it from nominations before we even vote! ISN'T THIS FUN YOU GUYS
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:34 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ vetoing killing joke
So the Jeff Beck album probably doesn't count either, huh?
― I want a tracks poll! (Viceroy), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:35 (thirteen years ago) link
jeff otm
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i'd like to disqualify all the albums i don't personally enjoy from this poll before voting begins, so people can only vote for albums i like. i'll post the list of approved albums after i decide which of my favorites i'd like people to rank in their ballots. brb
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:41 (thirteen years ago) link
lol yes!
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Herman, you know I love you. You're a great part of the ILM family, but you doom your own polls time and time again by being so exclusionary and, in turn, making people angry before voting even begins. I expect the countdown will be epic, though, so I'll tune in.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Wilildlife is as heavy as Torche is nowadays.
I don't get why we've included Jesu or Sunn o)))))))))))) or Om in years past but not Swans this year. None of them is approaching heaviness from a metal viewpoint, no matter what they say or what actual metal stuff various players in those bands have done or continue to do.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:44 (thirteen years ago) link
hey FOUR OTHER GUYS vetoed it, ok?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:44 (thirteen years ago) link
And way more than four want it eligible.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i bet i can find four guys who agree it should be in & would vote for it
lol xp
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Karma to Burn - Appalachian IncantationSahara Surfers - Spacetrip on a Paper PlaneDead Meadow - Three Kings Hansel - Never Say Die Stone Sour - Audio SecrecyAcross Tundras - Old World Wanderer
― I want a tracks poll! (Viceroy), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:46 (thirteen years ago) link
And Killing Joke aren't metal either. Even if Phil puts them on a year end metal list.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
wait a min. stone sour??? are you markers?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Skullflower should totally be on there btw -- shit is waaaayyyy heavier than Sunn O))) even
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
It shouldn't be shocking that a metal/"heavy rock" poll is exclusionary. That's the point. Taylor Swift and Flying Lotus are also excluded, along with lots of other stuff. It'll be more fun if you just quit bitching and let it go.
― Moving Pixels (J3ff T.), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I've not heard the newest skullflower so i will include them for now.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ having stone sour nominated, but excluding several of the year's great albums
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link
ez you want the wildildlife put back up then?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not shocked, but I think it's hilarious that people can draw this imaginary line somewhere that's not exactly static. Like I said upthread, it's not like anyone's coming in here nominating Rihanna.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't have a problem with wildildlife. And if people have a problem with Killing Joke, we can take them off.
― Moving Pixels (J3ff T.), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway i'll come back when i've cooled down a bit. this is ridiculous, we should've let the poll be run either without a nominations list, or without a couple arrogant vetoes spoiling a good number of voters' ballots in advance.
never had such a strict nominations process in 2008/09 btw! i think several of you are getting crankier w/ age
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
some of those noms were not-so-subtle digs, obv.
― I want a tracks poll! (Viceroy), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
btw i'd like to nominate
Rihanna - Loud
k thx
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i <3 u, ilxor
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Probably not going to vote for and I doubt anyone else would. Just had it on my list of heavy stuff I liked this year.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:57 (thirteen years ago) link
There's nothing "arrogant" about my veto -- Swans are postpunk. Punk is not metal(or what is meant by heavy rock here), and postpunk isn't metal, even if there is metal crossover with both, and even if there is some heaviness involved.
― Moving Pixels (J3ff T.), Thursday, 9 December 2010 01:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Swans were postpunk in 1985, when being postpunk was still a concern. In 2010, they're Swans. No qualification necessary.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link
everything in this poll is post-punk -- punk happened in the '70s, this is 2010
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay, if someone is going to nominate the Ozzy album, I'm going to one up it and nominate a far better album by a rock survivor:
Rob Zombie - Hellbilly Deluxe 2
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Then we can have a Swans year-end poll and they will win.
― Moving Pixels (J3ff T.), Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:01 (thirteen years ago) link
zzzzzzzz
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Zombi was nominated last year
― Bjorn Cyborg (van smack), Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:02 (thirteen years ago) link
and look at the complaints it got (and marnie stern the year before)
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:04 (thirteen years ago) link
More stuff that should be DQ'd (Even if I nominated it) according to the nebulous criteria of the day:
Across Tundras - Old World Wanderer - sorry, Crazy Horse isn't metalBoris & Ian Astbury - BXI - ha ha ha you kid, right?Celestiial - Where Life Springs Eternal - a rough night in the woods isn't heavy, dude.Danzig - Deth Red Sabaoth - cat litter is not credibleKilling Joke - Absolute Dissent - GothRatt - Infestation - glamTorche - Songs for Singles - I like Helmet too, but noU.S. Christmas/Minsk/Harvestman - Hawkwind Triad - Various Artists, automatic disqualificationWino - Adrift - Wino is metal, this is notWolf People - Steeple - Wolf in the name - automatic vetoYakuza - Of Seismic Consequence - jazz-skronk
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Zombi wasn't just nominated, it placed pretty damn high. Marnie didn't place, did it?
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Wolf in the name - automatic veto
I guess I should be thankful Wolves in the Throne Room didn't have an album this out this year.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:08 (thirteen years ago) link
There goes my Wolf Parade dream
― Bjorn Cyborg (van smack), Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:09 (thirteen years ago) link
. Marnie didn't place, did it?
it did
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link
This is ILM. If you want to administer a purist sort of poll, take it elsewhere. No malice intended, but that's just the way it be. Donna Summer's "I Feel Love" was just voted the #3 song of the century here. You think that would happen anywhere else? Unlikely. It's kind of why I love this place.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Marnie Stern - 41 in 2008. Zombi - 12 in 2009. Swans - DQ'd in 2010.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:14 (thirteen years ago) link
and so is marnies 2010 album
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:15 (thirteen years ago) link
i assume noone wants a tracks poll?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:17 (thirteen years ago) link
if i ever needed one shining example of why i don't like being on poll threads, now i've got one. i have actual children who fight about stupid shit. i come here to relax.
and i like all you guys. you know, for the most part.
try and have some fun, people! you might like it.
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link
you think this is bad scott, go look at the car crash of the alltime poll.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:19 (thirteen years ago) link
For the record, the year-end poll J0rdan and I will be running very soon will only have two qualifications. The songs/albums you nominate will have to have been released someplace in the world for the first time in 2010, but no longer than a year or two ago anywhere else in the world. Also, songs/albums leaked ahead of a 2011 release are ineligible.
That's it. Simple and easy. No fuss, no muss.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
and a non-specialist poll.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link
True, but why don't you give the people who actually wish to participate in your genre poll some credit? Vetoing nominations arbitrarily is about the most "fuck you people" thing I can think of (at least in the realm of online polling).
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link
As Jeff already stated the metal poll started because lots of album that were really good were not getting into the big poll due to the fact that it was a big general poll. Nothing against that,they're great polls, but this poll was to cover niche stuff. Yes some things cross over but as much as i love metal mags like terrorizer covering swans, it doesn't feel right them being in this poll. It's not just me but others too. Including several people who love Swans. We all know the Swans album will place high in the poll you're doing (i assume musically has decided not to do it this year?).
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Than axe Joke too. They're even more post-punk than Swans.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 December 2010 02:34 (thirteen years ago) link