ILM Metal/other 'metal' subgenres 2010 POLL NOMINATIONS THREAD CLOSES Saturday 19 December - All are welcome.

I'm vetoing Killing Joke, simply because I don't want that wonderful album sullied by this ego-driven clusterfuck of a poll.

okay okay. can we change the poll title, then?

ILM Metal/Heavy Rock & other 'metal' subgenres 2010 POLL NOMINATIONS THREAD CLOSES 31/12 - All are welcome, as long as you vote for albums that we arbitrarily approve them. Oh, and don't worry, one of the year's best albums won't win because we've eliminated it from nominations before we even vote! ISN'T THIS FUN YOU GUYS

lol @ vetoing killing joke

So the Jeff Beck album probably doesn't count either, huh?

jeff otm

i'd like to disqualify all the albums i don't personally enjoy from this poll before voting begins, so people can only vote for albums i like. i'll post the list of approved albums after i decide which of my favorites i'd like people to rank in their ballots. brb

lol yes!

Herman, you know I love you. You're a great part of the ILM family, but you doom your own polls time and time again by being so exclusionary and, in turn, making people angry before voting even begins. I expect the countdown will be epic, though, so I'll tune in.

Wilildlife is as heavy as Torche is nowadays.

I don't get why we've included Jesu or Sunn o)))))))))))) or Om in years past but not Swans this year. None of them is approaching heaviness from a metal viewpoint, no matter what they say or what actual metal stuff various players in those bands have done or continue to do.

hey FOUR OTHER GUYS vetoed it, ok?

And way more than four want it eligible.

i bet i can find four guys who agree it should be in & would vote for it

lol xp

Karma to Burn - Appalachian Incantation
Sahara Surfers - Spacetrip on a Paper Plane
Dead Meadow - Three Kings
Hansel - Never Say Die
Stone Sour - Audio Secrecy
Across Tundras - Old World Wanderer

And Killing Joke aren't metal either. Even if Phil puts them on a year end metal list.

wait a min. stone sour??? are you markers?

Skullflower should totally be on there btw -- shit is waaaayyyy heavier than Sunn O))) even

It shouldn't be shocking that a metal/"heavy rock" poll is exclusionary. That's the point. Taylor Swift and Flying Lotus are also excluded, along with lots of other stuff. It'll be more fun if you just quit bitching and let it go.

I've not heard the newest skullflower so i will include them for now.

lol @ having stone sour nominated, but excluding several of the year's great albums

ez you want the wildildlife put back up then?

I'm not shocked, but I think it's hilarious that people can draw this imaginary line somewhere that's not exactly static. Like I said upthread, it's not like anyone's coming in here nominating Rihanna.

I don't have a problem with wildildlife. And if people have a problem with Killing Joke, we can take them off.

anyway i'll come back when i've cooled down a bit. this is ridiculous, we should've let the poll be run either without a nominations list, or without a couple arrogant vetoes spoiling a good number of voters' ballots in advance.

never had such a strict nominations process in 2008/09 btw! i think several of you are getting crankier w/ age

some of those noms were not-so-subtle digs, obv.

btw i'd like to nominate

Rihanna - Loud

k thx

i <3 u, ilxor

ez you want the wildildlife put back up then?

Probably not going to vote for and I doubt anyone else would. Just had it on my list of heavy stuff I liked this year.

There's nothing "arrogant" about my veto -- Swans are postpunk. Punk is not metal(or what is meant by heavy rock here), and postpunk isn't metal, even if there is metal crossover with both, and even if there is some heaviness involved.

Swans were postpunk in 1985, when being postpunk was still a concern. In 2010, they're Swans. No qualification necessary.

everything in this poll is post-punk -- punk happened in the '70s, this is 2010

Okay, if someone is going to nominate the Ozzy album, I'm going to one up it and nominate a far better album by a rock survivor:

Rob Zombie - Hellbilly Deluxe 2

Then we can have a Swans year-end poll and they will win.

zzzzzzzz

Zombi was nominated last year

and look at the complaints it got (and marnie stern the year before)

More stuff that should be DQ'd (Even if I nominated it) according to the nebulous criteria of the day:

Across Tundras - Old World Wanderer - sorry, Crazy Horse isn't metal
Boris & Ian Astbury - BXI - ha ha ha you kid, right?
Celestiial - Where Life Springs Eternal - a rough night in the woods isn't heavy, dude.
Danzig - Deth Red Sabaoth - cat litter is not credible
Killing Joke - Absolute Dissent - Goth
Ratt - Infestation - glam
Torche - Songs for Singles - I like Helmet too, but no
U.S. Christmas/Minsk/Harvestman - Hawkwind Triad - Various Artists, automatic disqualification
Wino - Adrift - Wino is metal, this is not
Wolf People - Steeple - Wolf in the name - automatic veto
Yakuza - Of Seismic Consequence - jazz-skronk

Zombi wasn't just nominated, it placed pretty damn high. Marnie didn't place, did it?

Wolf in the name - automatic veto

I guess I should be thankful Wolves in the Throne Room didn't have an album this out this year.

There goes my Wolf Parade dream

. Marnie didn't place, did it?

it did

This is ILM. If you want to administer a purist sort of poll, take it elsewhere. No malice intended, but that's just the way it be. Donna Summer's "I Feel Love" was just voted the #3 song of the century here. You think that would happen anywhere else? Unlikely. It's kind of why I love this place.

Marnie Stern - 41 in 2008. Zombi - 12 in 2009. Swans - DQ'd in 2010.

and so is marnies 2010 album

i assume noone wants a tracks poll?

if i ever needed one shining example of why i don't like being on poll threads, now i've got one. i have actual children who fight about stupid shit. i come here to relax.

and i like all you guys. you know, for the most part.

try and have some fun, people! you might like it.

you think this is bad scott, go look at the car crash of the alltime poll.

For the record, the year-end poll J0rdan and I will be running very soon will only have two qualifications. The songs/albums you nominate will have to have been released someplace in the world for the first time in 2010, but no longer than a year or two ago anywhere else in the world. Also, songs/albums leaked ahead of a 2011 release are ineligible.

That's it. Simple and easy. No fuss, no muss.

and a non-specialist poll.

True, but why don't you give the people who actually wish to participate in your genre poll some credit? Vetoing nominations arbitrarily is about the most "fuck you people" thing I can think of (at least in the realm of online polling).

As Jeff already stated the metal poll started because lots of album that were really good were not getting into the big poll due to the fact that it was a big general poll. Nothing against that,they're great polls, but this poll was to cover niche stuff. Yes some things cross over but as much as i love metal mags like terrorizer covering swans, it doesn't feel right them being in this poll. It's not just me but others too. Including several people who love Swans. We all know the Swans album will place high in the poll you're doing (i assume musically has decided not to do it this year?).