yeah "heartless" is prob his second biggest hit after "gold digger"
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link
i could see "gorgeous" getting some rap radio play if it wasn't produced to sound all muffled -- i bet they'll put "lost in the world" out as a single but i don't see how it would do any better than, like, "paranoid"
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link
that review lays it all out nicely
― Dan S, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost yeah I've been thinking "Lost in the World" could do okay depending on how they edit it for radio — feels like one of those big dancey worldwide-electro-party songs I associate with europe and the blackeyedpeas
― 'The Road'(a hundred less-than signs)'Taken' (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link
al's review is how i felt when he was the voice of clarity on jay's 'american gangster', except this time i don't exactly agree w/ him
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link
"Paranoid" should've been a smash hit.
― altered boners (rennavate), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 00:26 (thirteen years ago) link
some dude otm
― EIEIoOoOO (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 00:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Patrick Bateman - http://sickmouthy.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/patrick-bateman/
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 06:43 (thirteen years ago) link
re: nick's review
I think the bad quality is the crux of it. Many many many more albums are more disgusting, mysogynastic (sp?) and so on but make up for it with musical qualities. great beats, melodies or song writing. The Big Boi album has skits about weird sex tricks and fetishes (was it Whiney who said the lol otm point about Jannelle Monae being proud to make her grandmother listen to her song with this huge superstar when just before it is a skit about teabagging?) but no-one sees it as an issue because the record is inventive and knows that the skit shouldn't get in the way of why you buy the record. Chris Rock is given too much time on a song that goes on tooooooo long and is gross on it. He has 3 skits on Lil Jon's Crunk Juice too that are about fucking and "skeeting" but together they come in at just over a minute, spread between about 10 songs. He is also actually funny the first time you hear him on Crunk Juice. Kanye on the other hand seems to think of the skit as a major serious part of the record and it is jarring, disgusting and most importantly, humourless.
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 10:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't really have a problem with it as it just sounds like a typical chris rock routine
here's a little samples guide anyway if it wasn't linked already lol mike oldfield etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TSDc0vZMkc
don't think the tunes/production is that bad either - no worse than on Graduation at least (and definitely as catchy). bits and bobs are as good as anything he's done e.g. strings on So Appalled and sample treatments generally.
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 13:48 (thirteen years ago) link
gtfo "as good as anything he's done". go get a late pass and pick up a copy of blueprint while you are there.
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 14:08 (thirteen years ago) link
lol the least of this album's problems is that it is "misogynistic"
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link
was just talking about the skit. there are 100s of problems here. power is p much the only thing stopping this from being an 01.0 in my mind.
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link
(oh and ross&chef)
it's funny--i was really not looking forward to relistening to this but i did get through about half of it yesterday.
i really don't find it contemptible, it's just boring.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link
do try not to wet yourself with indignation hoy
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 14:41 (thirteen years ago) link
are all shops stocking the DVD edition with the original banned cover then, or just a select few that got orders in early ?
― mark e, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Great review Al.
It's like if Pete Townshend came out with a new epic rock opera that sounded just like his other ones, and everyone gave him an enthusiastic pat on the back just for trying.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
honestly some dude thanks for articulating that album perfectly
i'm going to try to listen to it again today if i can take it. but it exhausts me, not in a good way....
it's kind of like a dinner guest that won't ever shut up during dinner than won't ever leave
― EIEIoOoOO (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
it's total urban legend/media hype that the cover was banned, Def Jam said "Walmart might not like this" early on and Kanye overreacted on Twitter, i think the original and the pixellated one and the alt covers are all in print and available
― some dude, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link
the Townshend thing was a variation on something I said on this thread and it got shot down a bit, but i still stand by it. there are some artists that just make "big and ambitious" part of their aesthetic identity and Kanye is just one of them.
― some dude, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
i like that analogy cuz it forces us to think about what "ambitious" really means - it doesn't exist in a vacuum and should be contextualised w/r/t specific expectations of an artist
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link
have only seen the ballerina cover so far in engerland
lex do you even know who townsend is?
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
hahahaha yes but mainly for the ch1ld p0rn thing
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
(that was him right? i haven't heard his music though i was aware of what their "thing" was)
he set the standard for the cathelic church to go after deaf boys (and dumb/blind/good at pinball).
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
that is him. famous for wanting to fuck kids, doing a stupid windmill motion on his guitar, being in a shitty band with a crazy drummer who wrote, *cough* rock operas.
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
he set the standard for creative uses of credit cards.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
baba o reilly >>> anything on this album
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
John Entwhistle's songwriting canon >>>>>> anything on this album.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, December 7, 2010 10:34 AM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
so basically 4-minute pointless violin solo in the middle of a song >>> 4-minute pointless autotune solo at the end of a song
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
so many challops so little time.
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
moratorium on mentioning any rock musicians itt please
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
just itt?
also does that mean no kanye now he has become blipster king?
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
boy i hate pointless solos -- instrumental passages should always have a thesis statement and supporting argument imo
― Local Hardman (some dude), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
seriously don't drag the who further into this discourse of kanye
― EIEIoOoOO (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
ha i kind of like the autotune solo, i just thought the parallel was interesting. esp because I think most people just remember the awesome chorus of baba o'riley and not all the other boring crap in that song
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i kinda like the actual sound and effect of his voice at the end of runaway, but still don't think it was worth doing
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link
missed like two weeks of this thread but I'm gonna say that:
the fact that I can think of my 10 least favorite "Malibooyah reupholsted my pussy sarcophagus king of leona lewis jagger LOOOOOOVE" moments on this album and can only think of one line I love and its from Ross says a lot about why this album isn't the best ever
― john jjjusten jingleheimer smh (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link
you gave it a 9 out of 10 though
― Local Hardman (some dude), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, its totally amazing, but like seriously, seriously, seriously flawed. And not in a way where you can bullshit it up with "the SWALLOWSHIP imperfections are what make it good"
― john jjjusten jingleheimer smh (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 23:07 (thirteen years ago) link
idk dude a 9 outta 10 is basically saying to me that the flaws aint much of a thing
welcome back btw
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 7 December 2010 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
ross has a nice verse but lol @ him saying "ciphered with yeezy before he got his jaw wired"...sure you did
― EIEIoOoOO (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 23:22 (thirteen years ago) link
oh no, rick ross told a lie!
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 23:27 (thirteen years ago) link
LMFAOOOOOOOOOO
― john jjjusten jingleheimer smh (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 23:27 (thirteen years ago) link
i just thought it was funny :?
― EIEIoOoOO (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 23:29 (thirteen years ago) link
i believe i also saw brandon soderberg say on tumblr that it was impossible for kanye to have ciphered w/ yeezy before his mouth was wired, but it should be pointed out that ross had a verse on the same trina album that had the kanye produced "b r right" on it, so i'll just say that it's not out of the question
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 23:30 (thirteen years ago) link
he probably did tho, I remember hearing an early Ross track produced by Kanye...
― no hipster hats (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 23:31 (thirteen years ago) link
― EIEIoOoOO (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, December 7, 2010 6:22 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
no idea if it's true but it's at least plausible, Kanye produced for Trina before the accident back when Ross was just another rapper on Slip-N-Slide (xpost)
― Local Hardman (some dude), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 23:31 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe their ghostwriters ciphered with each other back then
― EIEIoOoOO (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 00:00 (thirteen years ago) link