ha that's the least ranty negative review that's been posted so far
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Don't think my monocle dropped into my cup of Lady Grey, but I did exclaim to my wife "fucking hell, this is just unpleasant". I'm in my 30s, I'm very happily married, I can't find any conscionable reason to listen to horrifically misogynistic tripe, ESPECIALLY when the production and tunes are shite.
I think its perfectly acceptable to think something is horrible without being horrified by it; I'm not outraged in a Daily Mail sense, I just have no place in my life for nastiness like this and am baffled how anyone with a similar set of life circumstances to me could. The world's nasty enough without pop music being fucking horrible and hateful too.
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
so you're saying you don't get how any married adult listens to rap?
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
the kanye album did not strike me as being particularly nasty or morally horrific?
i like al's rant.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't think it's entirely productive to take the angle nick's taking, but i do like this last part:
Kanye’s beautiful, dark, twisted fantasy has no beauty, and if the desire to wear expensive clothes, drive supercars, treat women badly, and have nasty sport/porn-sex is dark, and twisted, rather than shallow and thoughtless, then I’m missing something that I don’t want to make an effort to understand.
― ITT Deadliest Choads (some dude), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
it's like oh i'm so dark and perverse but it's all pretty much your standard materialist straight guy shit
al, as a married adult, how do you stand rap music
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
All married adults everywhere are the same, yes, exactly. Likewise all rap. Totally. Yes, thats what I said.
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
while my wife's at work my son and i listen to mixtapes. we've got yelawolf on right now.
― ITT Deadliest Choads (some dude), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't mind pop music about kinky sex or shit like that. "Bad Romance" is a great example of that kind of thing; nothing on MBDSMF is.
― ITT Deadliest Choads (some dude), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
i like that the tone of some dude's "rant" is pretty even and balanced. i don't get critics that complain about the hyperbole of the overwhelming positive hype and 10.0 ratings and then turn around hyperbolize the opposite direction, all hair-pulling and teeth-gnashing
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think I was teeth-gnashing, certainly not compared to how I used to. I was going for baffled disappointment and distaste.
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link
to be fair i got a lot of my more argumentative points and hair-pulling out of my system on this thread first
― ITT Deadliest Choads (some dude), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
My own take from a couple of weeks ago.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
I think my key feeling about this record is that if someone caught me listening to it I'd feel embarrassed.
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:09 (thirteen years ago) link
al thats a really good review!
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, Al, the U2 comparison was spot-on (although I think the U2 album sold less than its predecessors).
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:19 (thirteen years ago) link
the U2 is where it loses me, because this feels like a more erm 'relevant' record -- more w/ the zeitgeist & less pulling by purely on classic rock bono-fides etc -- but other than that im pretty much w/ it
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link
it being al's review
Well, we'll find out by February whether MDTF has staying power.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:21 (thirteen years ago) link
oh its gonna top pnj im sure
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:24 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah the whole year i felt like there might be some genuine suspense around what would p&j but there's no way this doesn't waltz to the top
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link
staying power /= topping P&J
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:26 (thirteen years ago) link
what = staying power?
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:26 (thirteen years ago) link
we'll know in february i guess?
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:27 (thirteen years ago) link
commercial success. I mentioned the U2 album because it fell off the chart quickly after topping it and produced no hits.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:27 (thirteen years ago) link
vmas = staying power
― balls, Monday, 6 December 2010 23:27 (thirteen years ago) link
i said this upthread but most of kanye's albums have one or two singles doing well months and months after release -- jesus walks, touch the sky, flashing lights, etc. -- i'm curious if this will have one, because i have no idea what song that hasn't already been a single on here could have legs
― some dude, Monday, 6 December 2010 23:32 (thirteen years ago) link
i think hed argue its not really a 'singles' album anyway, but obv monster has legs
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean well singles released after the album's release -- "Monster" was out before the album and might have even peaked already
― some dude, Monday, 6 December 2010 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link
isn't this precisely the type of album where if it fails in the market it burnishes it's rep as much as any hit status would?
― balls, Monday, 6 December 2010 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link
probably, although it'd be pretty awkward if the 'curveball' 808s thrived and then this return to rap mea culpa kinda thing didn't do as well
― some dude, Monday, 6 December 2010 23:43 (thirteen years ago) link
i think by ditching the mascot cover he made it clear this wasnt as much a return
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:44 (thirteen years ago) link
For all the talk of 808's "difficulty" it had "legs" -- I heard "Amazing" and "Knock You Down" on the radio well into 2009.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link
"knock you down" wasn't on that album and i didn't hear "amazing" much, but yeah that album was a total commercial success, mainly due to "heartless"
― some dude, Monday, 6 December 2010 23:48 (thirteen years ago) link
al that's an excellent review of course
― k3vin k., Monday, 6 December 2010 23:50 (thirteen years ago) link
where's 'heartless' rank on most well known (ie yr parents might know it) kanye songs? 'gold digger's up top but 'heartless' is probably top 3 right? unless my dad feels the need to track down the source of espn's bumper music (that would be 'power') i'm pretty sure he will never know a song here.
― balls, Monday, 6 December 2010 23:52 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i think it'd probably be: gold digger, heartless, after that probably jesus walks, slow jamz, stronger
― some dude, Monday, 6 December 2010 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah "heartless" is prob his second biggest hit after "gold digger"
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link
i could see "gorgeous" getting some rap radio play if it wasn't produced to sound all muffled -- i bet they'll put "lost in the world" out as a single but i don't see how it would do any better than, like, "paranoid"
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link
that review lays it all out nicely
― Dan S, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost yeah I've been thinking "Lost in the World" could do okay depending on how they edit it for radio — feels like one of those big dancey worldwide-electro-party songs I associate with europe and the blackeyedpeas
― 'The Road'(a hundred less-than signs)'Taken' (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link
al's review is how i felt when he was the voice of clarity on jay's 'american gangster', except this time i don't exactly agree w/ him
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link
"Paranoid" should've been a smash hit.
― altered boners (rennavate), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 00:26 (thirteen years ago) link
some dude otm
― EIEIoOoOO (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 00:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Patrick Bateman - http://sickmouthy.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/patrick-bateman/
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 06:43 (thirteen years ago) link
re: nick's review
I think the bad quality is the crux of it. Many many many more albums are more disgusting, mysogynastic (sp?) and so on but make up for it with musical qualities. great beats, melodies or song writing. The Big Boi album has skits about weird sex tricks and fetishes (was it Whiney who said the lol otm point about Jannelle Monae being proud to make her grandmother listen to her song with this huge superstar when just before it is a skit about teabagging?) but no-one sees it as an issue because the record is inventive and knows that the skit shouldn't get in the way of why you buy the record. Chris Rock is given too much time on a song that goes on tooooooo long and is gross on it. He has 3 skits on Lil Jon's Crunk Juice too that are about fucking and "skeeting" but together they come in at just over a minute, spread between about 10 songs. He is also actually funny the first time you hear him on Crunk Juice. Kanye on the other hand seems to think of the skit as a major serious part of the record and it is jarring, disgusting and most importantly, humourless.
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 10:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't really have a problem with it as it just sounds like a typical chris rock routine
here's a little samples guide anyway if it wasn't linked already lol mike oldfield etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TSDc0vZMkc
don't think the tunes/production is that bad either - no worse than on Graduation at least (and definitely as catchy). bits and bobs are as good as anything he's done e.g. strings on So Appalled and sample treatments generally.
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 13:48 (thirteen years ago) link
gtfo "as good as anything he's done". go get a late pass and pick up a copy of blueprint while you are there.
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 14:08 (thirteen years ago) link
lol the least of this album's problems is that it is "misogynistic"
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link