the how part is easier to explain
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
and the music here, again, adds to that. it's often garish, bloated and overlayered in ways that should be off-putting but somehow (mostly) work, at least manage to entertain and to hold my attention. the music tells the story as much as the words, of this profoundly unhappy superman locked away in a hideous gilded dungeon of his own making.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, November 30, 2010 2:00 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
This is a really solid way to sum up both the appeal and revulsion that this album is causing. I'd say it's the perfect album for a culture that loves to entertain itself with slow motion car wrecks.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Is it just me or is the chorus of "Hell of a Life" taken from Sabbath's "Iron Man"?
― Moodles, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
check yr liner notes
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
that chorus is so terrible, i might actually like the song if not for that
― Prince SBanBan (some dude), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
can someone quickly and in under 30 words summarize precisely what it is that any of you are arguing about anymore?
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
noone's really been arguing for one or two dozen posts now, maybe we can keep it that way
― Prince SBanBan (some dude), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
hey why dont you go fuck yrself
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
why i oughta
― Prince SBanBan (some dude), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2008/10/700px-ndleprechaunsvg.png
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
this thread never quits
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
it's so appropriate that this thread is one in which no one will ever shut up
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
lex .... otm!
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link
haha
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
profoundly unhappy superman locked away in a hideous gilded dungeon of his own making
so this is the rap version of
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/Against-Nature-J-K-Huysmans-Pa20-med.jpg
― lil butterball (the baste god) (Edward III), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link
hey guys whatd i miss
― .\ /. (dayo), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link
http://newer.gifdump.com/uploads/Seinfeld%20-%20Kramer,%20Out%20of%20The%20Contest.gif
― .\ /. (dayo), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 00:31 (thirteen years ago) link
finally heard the first half of this album on the drive to work. biggest first impression: there seem to be drug/alcohol references on pretty much every track? doing lines, trippin off powder, hangovers, etc., which is fitting, because saying it sounds "ambitious" is really just a polite way of saying 'ye sounds coked off his face and felt the need to stuff each track with as many details as possible, which sometimes works really really well ("power," which is monstrous on a good stereo) and other times kinda flops (the first couple tracks, esp. "gorgeous," strike me this way; maybe "all of the lights"). anyway, just a first impression. whoever said that each track has really impressive pieces scattered throughout is OTM -- kanye throws a loooot of different sounds at the wall, and naturally a good # of them stick. but not always.
― i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad (ilxor), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 14:30 (thirteen years ago) link
if the above is tl;dr then basically this album = My Beautiful Drunk Coked-Up Fantasy
― i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad (ilxor), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link
There's a Riot Goin' On?
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Monster, Devil In A New Dress and Lost In The World are the three i most like
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link
time to poll this shit yet?
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:08 (thirteen years ago) link
reckoner
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link
"Power" would probably still get my vote, that sample will never get old.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link
But man massive massive LOLZ at Jim DeRo saying that Kanye's little muffled vocoder bit is as good as any Gilmour guitar solo though.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
any idea who came up with/did the background vocals in 'power'? they don't sound sampled. so good.
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i lol'd
― i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad (ilxor), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Kanye's little muffled vocoder bit is as good as any Gilmour guitar solo though.
that's not implausible -- gilmour sets a low standard
― i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad (ilxor), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link
al tbf i don't think anyone is actually suggesting that kanye is a better rapper than nas
*bait set*
― overtheseas aeroplanes I have flown (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, I was just more loling at DeRo shoehorning a Pink Floyd reference into a Kanye review.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
this album ain't fuckin' wit meddle
― kl0pper city in the ghetto (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
surprised kanye hasnt shoehorned in a ref to the dark side of his moon to go with his black balls or something equally lamez
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
black side of the balls
― i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad (ilxor), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
black on both sides iirc
― kl0pper city in the ghetto (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 18:31 (thirteen years ago) link
agree w ilxor that the record sounds totally coked out, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. lots of super lush & glossy 70s LA fantasy pop supposedly descends from the white mountains, and i love that shit. thing i notice when i listen to it the view of relationships he describes sounds like what you get into when you're drunk and/or high all the time: chaos, infidelity, pointless fights, reckless behavior, endless parties & nights on the town that often end badly.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
This is very far from the streamlined perfection of those '70s El Lay fantasy pop records.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link
nothing streamlined about it.
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i've been saying for years that the middle section of graduation sounds totally coked out - contenderizer everything you're saying about this applies to that! i guess i agree MBDTF sounds pretty cokey too but only in the boring way
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link
well it's not exactly Station to Station, but it's certainly no Be Here Now, either
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the trick might be that the qualities that were always evident are just newly the selling point (either because he's highlighting it more or because there's less other stuff to praise him for). Like how Michael Jackson was always paranoid as shit but his paranoia wasn't The Reason He's Worth Listening To until HiStory-ish.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Rumours > Station to Station >>>>>>> MBDTF >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(infinity)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Be Here Now
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
what's the hip-hop equivalent of Silk Degrees?
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah that rings true for me, all the stuff that used to beside the point or subtext with Kanye records is now the whole thing, and what I used to feel like was the content or the substance or the entertainment value is mostly gone. (xpost to da croupier)
― My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro) (some dude), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link
at some point i want to cull all the random albums MBDTF has been compared to in this thread and elsewhere and make a poll
I think the trick might be that the qualities that were always evident are just newly the selling point (either because he's highlighting it more or because there's less other stuff to praise him for).
yes i'd totally agree with this.
a lot of what people are praising this record for doing, i'm like...did you not notice it before? have you heard his other albums?
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
which is what makes it an empty selling point in my eyes
I totally see where you are going lex, but just because this stuff has been done over the course of his other albums doesn't negate the worthiness of this one - I mean, its how he combines and approaches those tactics that make this worth hearing, imho.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
at some point i want to cull all the random albums MBDTF has been compared to in this thread
The running theme (aside from like Be Here Now) is that these are all albums that could be experienced as the spewing of an internal crisis for the artist, but they don't HAVE to be. Rumours is a big ol' album of emotional hits with a great backstory, but Lindsey Buckingham doesn't rhyme "Stevie Nicks" with "eat a bag of dicks" on it. There's A Riot Goin' On taps into a cultural anomie far beyond Sly's drug issues. I can see how Kanye's megalomania and self-obsession is indicative of the times, but I don't see it encapsulate it. For people to be throwing around Classic 5 Star A stuff, I'd like to hear how this album transcends Kanye's kanyeosity. Sure, his grandeur and daringness is striking compared to other pop stars today, but there's gotta be more to Importance than Self-Importance.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not saying there isn't a broader context to enjoy MBDTF on, FYI. Only played it once or twice so far - it's possible that Gil Scott-Heron outsourcing at the end actually ties in to the preceding tracks in a rewarding way. I'm just not seeing it in all the banal, superficial praise I'm seeing in the rave reviews.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
hope gil gets a good check out of this album
― EIEIoOoOO (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link