i wish i wish i wish
― J0rdan S., Monday, 29 November 2010 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
some of the songs are long but half the time it just seems like they just go on for about 2 minutes too long...
this is a lot more regular/normal than i thought it would be...like it has its quirks and odd little bits in the mix but i dunno
i feel like if this was edited a little tighter and he'd just called it "good ass job" no one would be saying prog
yes!! exactly! this is why i really have to smh at critics praising it for how incredible and shocking it sounds
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 29 November 2010 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I've listened to it a couple of times, and "Runaway" is now stuck in my head but other than that (and the King Crimson sample on "Power") I can't really remember anything about the individual songs. It's not an unenjoyable listen but yeah, the songs are too long to put them on for piecemeal pop thrills (I get that that's the intended effect).
― Euler, Monday, 29 November 2010 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Huh. I think there are earworms all over the place on this album (not all of them good; I would pay money to be able to never remember "Devil In A New Dress" ever again).
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Monday, 29 November 2010 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link
"I got a Trojan in my pocket...Matt Leinart"
ewwwww gross ewwwwww
― kl0pper city in the ghetto (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
that's what you get for not instinctively skipping over a cyhi da prynce verse -- you brought it on yourself
― jagger reupholstered my pussy (J0rdan S.), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess the Chris Rock thing, or more accurately the female voice talking about Yeezy, is stuck in my head too, but yeah, I'm not thrilled about that.
― Euler, Monday, 29 November 2010 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link
lolz this is basically how I feel about the Love Below
― "smokin' hot" albeit in a "Nickelback on iPod" sort of way (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i like the beat to devil in a new dress, but man did he have that sitting in the vaults since the blueprint or something? sounds really like old school kanye/jay beat
but i'm a sucker for pretty much any soul sample
"hood phenomenonit's the Lebron-a-ram"
^what?
there are literally like 10 careers worth of smh and o_O punchlines on this album
― kl0pper city in the ghetto (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link
the way you look should be a sinyou my sin-sation
"sin-sations" sounds like some fucking duncan hines brownie batter box mix or some shit
― kl0pper city in the ghetto (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
well he says "the lebron of rhyme"
― jagger reupholstered my pussy (J0rdan S.), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
If you've listened to this a few times and you don't have multiples of the following tracks stuck in your head, I think you're actively not paying attention to the album:
Dark FantasyPowerMonsterSo AppalledRunawayHell of a LifeDevil in a New DressBlame GameLost in the World
Again, not all of these songs are GOOD but I do think they are all extremely catchy.
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
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ah ok haha i thought it was some kinda lebron/ramadan deal
― kl0pper city in the ghetto (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link
i wonder if big sean is holding a grudge against cyhi da prynce for making it on the album
― jagger reupholstered my pussy (J0rdan S.), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link
i get the stupid way they stay "re-dick-uh-less" in my head
― kl0pper city in the ghetto (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
"Catchy" isn't the only virtue, Dan.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
right, which is why he explicitly said exactly that
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 29 November 2010 21:56 (11 minutes ago) Permalink
admittedly ive been avoiding getting too into reading tons of kanye reviews but i dont see most critics writing this. 'ambitious' =/= 'shocking'
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
idk how others were using it but i imagine 'prog' being a stand-in for this kind of framing, the 'album-as-art' feel, the suites, the songs being two mins too long. not lots of instrumental solos or something. its prog rap not prog rock
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
haha yeah, that "THIS SHIT IS.... FUCKING RIDICULOUS" marches through my head and slowly morphs into "FATBOY SLIM IS FUCKING IN HEAVEN", which is tripply annoying
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
One thing that IS a virtue is "reading comprehension".
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link
that's because it's a bink beat, right?
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Ohhhhhh show me the waaaaaaaaay
― PEAVEY Ó))) (Ówen P.), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link
you hurt your own credibility in criticizing a record, even if yr right, when u refuse to ascribe anything that could be seen as a positive quality to record that may in fact have some redeeming qualities. a much more damning critique = pursuing truth more than rejecting every strategy as a failure simply bcuz you decided the album has failed
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link
one of the dudes just says re-dickless. forget who.
― Moreno, Monday, 29 November 2010 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Luckily no one here can be accused of this.
xpost
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link
more accurately, you defined prog in a way that isn't what prog is rlly about. m@tt is saying something different, but i think its the *values* of the music rather than its sonic characteristics that are 'proggy' & yeah 'prog' is kind of a stand-in for that style
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, November 29, 2010 4:46 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
what exactly was my erroneous definition of prog?
― some dude, Monday, 29 November 2010 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno i think ive been repeatedly calling ppl on denying what seems obvious to me? i also think the lex's review is guilty of this
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link
link me to your post in this enormous thread. i seem to recall you conflating it w/ being ground-breaking or equating it w/ prog's GOALS rather than prog's CHARACTERISTICS but that might be a faulty memory
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link
but what if the album has no redeeming qualities for the critic?
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link
We're back to where this thread beached itself last week: we must at least acknowledge the album's Importance.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
this record's redeeming qualities = nicki minaj and "hell of a life", kinda
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
What's so capital-I important about, though? Honest question.
― altered boners (rennavate), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Chris Rock has a long skit.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
a two-star review does not = "this record has no redeeming qualities"
i find it really boring, uninvolving and uncompelling, not actively unpleasant to listen to
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, November 29, 2010 4:26 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
well you dont HAVE to do anything, but if you want an audience reading your opinions to think yr being honest & giving a fair assessment, i think just accusing everything of failing is self-sabotage
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
kanye said it is
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link
So, in order to avoid "self-sabotage," you must like about your feelings?
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link
*lie
i also admit more redeeming qualities in this album than most other critics have admitted flaws
An audience, in my experience, is very good at detecting bad faith and cynicism. As long as your review, within its space limits, explains clearly why the album succeeds or fails, the audience will accept your word even if it disagrees.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
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i think letting your feelings for the work as a whole / the critical response to the work overwhelm your ability to accurately describe the lp in question in a critical manner is more dishonest
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, November 29, 2010 4:29 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
im not arguing with ryan dombal here, im arguing w/ the lex & some dude & alfred soto
yeah otm i think this is exactly why i like this more than i thought i would - oh you're going to tell me that kanye west is going to release an album in 2010 with pretty good production, an even mix of good and awful rapping, requisite eyeroll lines and stylistic overreaches? you don't say!
― overtheseas aeroplanes I have flown (k3vin k.), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link
well, basically if you already hated "Power" and "Runaway" there is little to nothing on this album that will change your mind
I liked those songs, and overall I like this album although there are a few songs on it I can do without, which basically makes it like an MIA album for me (and she is one of my favorite album artists).
Also, I think "this album is Important because Kanye said it is" is exactly right, and it says a lot about the interaction between artist/fan/critic once you reach a certain level of fame. Basically, this is his less substantive version of OK Computer as far as the critics are concerned, only because Kanye is kind of a vapid fool his on-record vapidity is parsed as artistic choice rather than mental limitation (which, for the record, I'm pretty much okay with).
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Any critic who can't explain how his feelings about a terrible record are commensurate with his conclusions about the record's flaws is a hack.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
― kl0pper city in the ghetto (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, November 29, 2010 2:07 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark
this always just reminds me of the "i'm so pimped it's ridiculous" line off big boi's "last call", and then i get that stuck in my head instead. there's nothing on this record half so catchy.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Like I've written elsewhere, this album boasts "Power," Cudi and Raekwon in "Gorgeous," "Monster," and a couple of ear-pricking arrangements. In my judgment it's a C+ record, which means I likely won't play anything again besides the aforementioned songs.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
What I feel is that anyone who is stepping up to say, "Hey there are some serious flaws here," is having that argument conflated with "THIS ALBUM IS ENTIRELY IRREEDEMABLE AND HAS NOTHING WORTHWHILE ON IT," when I don't think ANYONE is claiming that. I mean I think Lex's review is the harshest I've seen, and even he still admits there's good moments on it.
― altered boners (rennavate), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont think lex is a hack. i do think that there are parts of his descriptions of the record that i think are inaccurate & unnecessarily critical, unneeded to make his point & in fact undercutting it because they seem flatly rong.
when im not at work ill show which parts i mean in partic.
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 29 November 2010 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link