there's a whole convo somewhere upthread about how some sources are reporting that Minaj's album is selling as well as and possibly even more than Kanye's this week
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
won the 10 but lost the war
― tween-justin-bieber-riot-of-09-pandemonium-arrests-terror+tweeting (Edward III), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
find that v. v. hard to believe
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
why
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
poor yeezy, he's being curtis-ed
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
That was me that was just repeating what was on hits daily double & they're almost always within 10k with their projections -- they probably have actual numbers up now
It sounds crazy to me too but what kanye has in "buzz" nicki has in near radio omnipresence since the spring or so
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
MBDTF vs. purple rain and let me know when to stop laughing
if anything, it makes more sense to compare the two sprawling, overstuffed, slightly inconsistent/flawed, but thoroughly compelling epic albums -- twisted fantasy vs. sign 'o' the times, anyone?
― i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad (ilxor), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i mean the singles off her album are in way heavier rotation than Kanye's, but generally speaking an artist's stature and preexisting fanbase count for a lot w/ first week sales, so i'm still going to be pretty surprised if she does outsell him or even come close.
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
comparing this to SOTT is total sacrilege to me.
comparing this to SOTT is like comparing your grandma's fried chicken to Shake n Bake.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Even though I really didn't care for it when I listened that one time, when I saw this in HMV yesterday I was soooooo tempted to buy it. God knows why. Put it down once I saw Toy Story 3 (which I also didn't buy, mainly because I had to put it down and go outside for some phone signal).
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
twisted fantasy vs. 'hello'
― balls, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
wow someone's actually just gone ahead and compared this thing to sign o the times
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Wednesday, November 24, 2010 8:35 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
co fucking sign
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
like...beginning to think that the argument that some people just want their generation to have its own prince/MJ figure so badly that they'll anoint anyone for anything is actually right
c'mon face up to the fact that we just aren't going to get a sign o the times of our own!
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
this is more abbey road to me (i.e. a bloated horrible mess unjustly hyped)
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Abbey Road at least ends in less than forty minutes.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Next week, with Black Friday looming, look for Roc-A-Fella/IDJ’s Kanye West to debut at #1, with Cash Money/Universal Motown’s Nicki Minaj a lock for #2, Other new releases include Reprise’s My Chemical Romance, Def Jam/IDJ’s Ne-Yo, Roc Nation’s Jay-Z greatest hits album, SRC/Universal Motown’s Akon, Arista Nashville’s Alan Jackson, RCA/RMG’s Burlesque soundtrack (with Christina Aguilera and Cher), Universal Republic’s Atomic Tom, Warner Bros. Nashville’s John Rich and Kemosabe/RCA/RMG’s Ke$ha deluxe edition.
also why stop at SOTT? MBDTF vs Sgt Pepper's!
stupid xposts
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
3 versions of 'hello', an 8 minute version of 'bob george', 'my name is prince', kirstie alley, a pro-coke version of 'pop life', & a passive aggressive version of 'purple rain' = twisted fantasy
― balls, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
"Really this is most analogous to Beethoven's symphonies"
i'm pretty much down to comparing this to any beatles album really, it's THAT bad
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I don't get this at all. Hooray death of the monoculture, etc.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
beginning to think that the argument that some people just want their generation to have its own prince/MJ figure so badly that they'll anoint anyone for anything is actually right
odd how much lex and I see eye to eye these days...
― in a style known as "Early Cleveland" (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
also hoping more for our generations motor booty affair than sott
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Hooray death of the monoculture, etc.
I started a thread about this awhile back. it did not go well.
― in a style known as "Early Cleveland" (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
uh guys I don't think y'all noticed but the point was that kanye can't really measure up to prior pop achievements, not that dude has made a classic on the same shelf
― tween-justin-bieber-riot-of-09-pandemonium-arrests-terror+tweeting (Edward III), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
i blame nostalgia culture, esp for things people weren't sentient enough to actually remember
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
the only one of these analogies i hear batted about that actually manages to annoy me is when ppl go gaga = madonna. i'm pro-gaga but motherfucker plz.
― balls, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Late Registration is better than any MJ record imo.
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
that is because you are insane
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
gaga/madonna is just lazy, like kate bush/tori amos - they work within broadly the same genre but their approaches and skills and general aesthetics are hugely different
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
either way, "better" is not as important a distinction in this discussion as "central to pop culture"
xxp
― tween-justin-bieber-riot-of-09-pandemonium-arrests-terror+tweeting (Edward III), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i'll take late registration over any marlon jackson record.
― balls, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
thriller has paul mccartney, late registration has cam'ron. naturally lr is better.
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
lol touche
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I'll take wanda jackson over any kanye record
― tween-justin-bieber-riot-of-09-pandemonium-arrests-terror+tweeting (Edward III), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
there isn't a music act working thats remotely "central to pop culture". the 'huge' ones a lucky to get "peripheral to pop culture".
― balls, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
gaga = madonna works on the image-as-story thing, right? if you take the music out of it, the comparison totally works.
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
― balls, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:52 (15 seconds ago) Bookmark
beyonce?
I think balls is otm. stars are smaller these days.
― "smokin' hot" albeit in a "Nickelback on iPod" sort of way (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
It is a massive stretch to say that Gaga's approach and general aesthetics are "hugely different" from Madonna's; it's more that they are both a product of their times than anything else but the points of view are very, very close.
Gaga is, of course, a way better singer.
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
mostly because the firmament itself has expanded exponentially xp
― tween-justin-bieber-riot-of-09-pandemonium-arrests-terror+tweeting (Edward III), Wednesday, November 24, 2010 10:52 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
OTM
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
gaga = madonna works on the image-as-story thing, right?
yeah but the actual images they employ are (have become) pretty different - gaga's way more rococo/fantastical/surrealist and goes out of her way to erase any lingering trace of girl-next-door; madonna retained that throughout many of her image changes and played with pre-existing archetypes a lot more
then you've got gaga as someone who's obv overflowing with raw talent in terms of singing and songwriting, versus madonna who willed herself to overcome her limitations there etc etc
haha xps
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I tend to think Madonna eased into her visual mastery. She was a club/disco artist first.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway i thot gaga just ripped roisin murphy
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think Gaga/Madonna is THAT lazy, because Gaga is almost certainly actively trying to be this generation's Madonna. That might just be because the shadow that Madonna casts over female mainstream pop is larger than that of even Jacko and Prince. Partly because Jacko and Prince are in a more crowded room full of male icons whereas Madonna is out on her own.
Xpost - the actual images they employ are irrelevant here given I expect Gaga to change hers several times over the course of her career.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Madonna stopped being the girl next door after "Like A Virgin" blew up! I guess maybe you could argue for "Like A Prayer" and "Cherish" but most of her imagery from that point forward was "oh btw I am a fabulous alien, bow before me"
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes but Gaga would have failed if she just tried the pre-existing archetypes thing and had to go post-madonna.
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
so it's decided then, Kanye is the new Madonna
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link