it totally relates to the direction mainstream hip hop is headed in at the moment, although of course that doesn't necessarily have any bearing on the next 9 years and nobody can really predict that far ahead anyway.
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Except the Mayans
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
does mainstream hiphop still exist? /or what does this have to do with the upcoming t.i*./young jeezy/soulja boy?
*or did this actually come out and i just didn't notice?
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
but i mean, grading on scale i see no problem w/ calling him the "MJ" of our generation -- raw chart numbers are only part of the story obv, or else you could just hand that title to usher
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, November 24, 2010 2:32 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark
yeah, this is nuts. mj is in a classification that doesn't even exist anymore. mj's pop saturation meant 1st graders and grandmas knew his stuff, you couldn't get in somebody's car without stepping on a copy of thriller, there was absolutely no escape from the guy. kanye self-selects an audience just by dint of his language and themes.
― tween-justin-bieber-riot-of-09-pandemonium-arrests-terror+tweeting (Edward III), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link
kanye might be the prince of his generation but even that's stretching it
― tween-justin-bieber-riot-of-09-pandemonium-arrests-terror+tweeting (Edward III), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
MBDTF vs. purple rain and let me know when to stop laughing
― tween-justin-bieber-riot-of-09-pandemonium-arrests-terror+tweeting (Edward III), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, November 24, 2010 11:02 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
for starters, Nicki has a starmaking turn on the album and the whole aesthetic of the album heavily influences and/or is influenced by Kid Cudi and Drake, and those 3 artists latest/next albums will probably sell more than those of the 3 artists you named
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
is the nicki actually selling? also sorry i forgot lol young money types, i live in a place they are easy to ignore.
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
there's a whole convo somewhere upthread about how some sources are reporting that Minaj's album is selling as well as and possibly even more than Kanye's this week
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
won the 10 but lost the war
― tween-justin-bieber-riot-of-09-pandemonium-arrests-terror+tweeting (Edward III), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
find that v. v. hard to believe
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
why
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
poor yeezy, he's being curtis-ed
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
That was me that was just repeating what was on hits daily double & they're almost always within 10k with their projections -- they probably have actual numbers up now
It sounds crazy to me too but what kanye has in "buzz" nicki has in near radio omnipresence since the spring or so
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
if anything, it makes more sense to compare the two sprawling, overstuffed, slightly inconsistent/flawed, but thoroughly compelling epic albums -- twisted fantasy vs. sign 'o' the times, anyone?
― i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad (ilxor), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i mean the singles off her album are in way heavier rotation than Kanye's, but generally speaking an artist's stature and preexisting fanbase count for a lot w/ first week sales, so i'm still going to be pretty surprised if she does outsell him or even come close.
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
comparing this to SOTT is total sacrilege to me.
comparing this to SOTT is like comparing your grandma's fried chicken to Shake n Bake.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Even though I really didn't care for it when I listened that one time, when I saw this in HMV yesterday I was soooooo tempted to buy it. God knows why. Put it down once I saw Toy Story 3 (which I also didn't buy, mainly because I had to put it down and go outside for some phone signal).
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
twisted fantasy vs. 'hello'
― balls, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
wow someone's actually just gone ahead and compared this thing to sign o the times
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Wednesday, November 24, 2010 8:35 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
co fucking sign
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
like...beginning to think that the argument that some people just want their generation to have its own prince/MJ figure so badly that they'll anoint anyone for anything is actually right
c'mon face up to the fact that we just aren't going to get a sign o the times of our own!
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
this is more abbey road to me (i.e. a bloated horrible mess unjustly hyped)
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Abbey Road at least ends in less than forty minutes.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Next week, with Black Friday looming, look for Roc-A-Fella/IDJ’s Kanye West to debut at #1, with Cash Money/Universal Motown’s Nicki Minaj a lock for #2, Other new releases include Reprise’s My Chemical Romance, Def Jam/IDJ’s Ne-Yo, Roc Nation’s Jay-Z greatest hits album, SRC/Universal Motown’s Akon, Arista Nashville’s Alan Jackson, RCA/RMG’s Burlesque soundtrack (with Christina Aguilera and Cher), Universal Republic’s Atomic Tom, Warner Bros. Nashville’s John Rich and Kemosabe/RCA/RMG’s Ke$ha deluxe edition.
also why stop at SOTT? MBDTF vs Sgt Pepper's!
stupid xposts
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
3 versions of 'hello', an 8 minute version of 'bob george', 'my name is prince', kirstie alley, a pro-coke version of 'pop life', & a passive aggressive version of 'purple rain' = twisted fantasy
― balls, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
"Really this is most analogous to Beethoven's symphonies"
i'm pretty much down to comparing this to any beatles album really, it's THAT bad
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I don't get this at all. Hooray death of the monoculture, etc.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
beginning to think that the argument that some people just want their generation to have its own prince/MJ figure so badly that they'll anoint anyone for anything is actually right
odd how much lex and I see eye to eye these days...
― in a style known as "Early Cleveland" (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
also hoping more for our generations motor booty affair than sott
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Hooray death of the monoculture, etc.
I started a thread about this awhile back. it did not go well.
― in a style known as "Early Cleveland" (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
uh guys I don't think y'all noticed but the point was that kanye can't really measure up to prior pop achievements, not that dude has made a classic on the same shelf
― tween-justin-bieber-riot-of-09-pandemonium-arrests-terror+tweeting (Edward III), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
i blame nostalgia culture, esp for things people weren't sentient enough to actually remember
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
the only one of these analogies i hear batted about that actually manages to annoy me is when ppl go gaga = madonna. i'm pro-gaga but motherfucker plz.
― balls, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Late Registration is better than any MJ record imo.
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
that is because you are insane
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
gaga/madonna is just lazy, like kate bush/tori amos - they work within broadly the same genre but their approaches and skills and general aesthetics are hugely different
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
either way, "better" is not as important a distinction in this discussion as "central to pop culture"
xxp
― tween-justin-bieber-riot-of-09-pandemonium-arrests-terror+tweeting (Edward III), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i'll take late registration over any marlon jackson record.
― balls, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
thriller has paul mccartney, late registration has cam'ron. naturally lr is better.
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
lol touche
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I'll take wanda jackson over any kanye record
― tween-justin-bieber-riot-of-09-pandemonium-arrests-terror+tweeting (Edward III), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
there isn't a music act working thats remotely "central to pop culture". the 'huge' ones a lucky to get "peripheral to pop culture".
― balls, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
gaga = madonna works on the image-as-story thing, right? if you take the music out of it, the comparison totally works.
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
― balls, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:52 (15 seconds ago) Bookmark
beyonce?
I think balls is otm. stars are smaller these days.
― "smokin' hot" albeit in a "Nickelback on iPod" sort of way (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
It is a massive stretch to say that Gaga's approach and general aesthetics are "hugely different" from Madonna's; it's more that they are both a product of their times than anything else but the points of view are very, very close.
Gaga is, of course, a way better singer.
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
mostly because the firmament itself has expanded exponentially xp