nah, but who does? mariah?
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 24 November 2010 07:29 (thirteen years ago) link
the argument is that maybe the category 'biggest pop star in the world right now' is no longer as important as it used to be even 10 years ago
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Wednesday, November 24, 2010 1:29 AM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark
well i don't think anyone would argue against this, altho i'd say that over the past few months or so kanye has definitely been the most omnipresent person in pop culture
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 24 November 2010 07:31 (thirteen years ago) link
but i mean, grading on scale i see no problem w/ calling him the "MJ" of our generation -- raw chart numbers are only part of the story obv, or else you could just hand that title to usher
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 24 November 2010 07:32 (thirteen years ago) link
dunno, but it highlights part of my problem with the crit adulation - that this is an "important album" from "the biggest pop star in the world", except that category has atrophied severely in the 00s
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 07:32 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess, that doesn't mean it's not true tho
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 24 November 2010 07:34 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah but the logic of most reviews seems to be, ambitious album from biggest pop star in the world -> automatic 10!!
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 07:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't think the qualifier of BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT IT DOESN'T MEAN AS MUCH ANYMORE changes the conversation at all
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 24 November 2010 07:36 (thirteen years ago) link
can i just point out he was just beefing on CNN w/ an ex-president? the guy is a huge pop star
― challop and a muff (deej), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 07:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I think it does! xp
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 07:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i think the qualifier itself is the extent of that conversation
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 24 November 2010 07:38 (thirteen years ago) link
can someone post the power vid here? youtube only gives me leaks w/ no videos or 'occult analysis' type things that i will watch when not at work so i can lol.
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 09:21 (thirteen years ago) link
it's less than 2 minutes long and is basically a CGI screensaver where very little happens, so if nobody finds it you're not missing much
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 12:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I posted the Power vid 2 days ago!
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 12:58 (thirteen years ago) link
djp this thread is like a million messages long
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 14:20 (thirteen years ago) link
okay, but a) I posted about it within 10 posts of you asking about videos from this album, and b) it's almost 2011, invest in some broadband
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link
it's also almost 2012, so maybe don't worry about watching shitty music videos, the apocalypse is coming
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L53gjP-TtGE
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link
THEY FLY SLOWLY @ U FACE WITH SWORDS
oh thats the video? i just assumed that was a screenshot + song.
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link
kinda sums up the whole album tbqh
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
wait, Kanye does music?
― Noel 1 Kanye 10.0 (blueski), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 15:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Who are we trying to fool. This is clearly not the 'Kid A' of our new decade.
this only works if you believe Kid A was the #1 "big artistic statement" of last decade, amirite?
― i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad (ilxor), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 15:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Does feel a bit like Pitchfork were jumping the gun and were trying to define the decade very early on.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Don't think this has anything to do with defining the decade though? It doesn't relate to the direction hiphop or indie or etc. is going in. Pop maybe I think the next Gaga/JT/next Swedish craze will be more important in that case.
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Exactly, hence jumping the gun.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
it totally relates to the direction mainstream hip hop is headed in at the moment, although of course that doesn't necessarily have any bearing on the next 9 years and nobody can really predict that far ahead anyway.
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Except the Mayans
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
does mainstream hiphop still exist? /or what does this have to do with the upcoming t.i*./young jeezy/soulja boy?
*or did this actually come out and i just didn't notice?
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, November 24, 2010 2:32 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark
yeah, this is nuts. mj is in a classification that doesn't even exist anymore. mj's pop saturation meant 1st graders and grandmas knew his stuff, you couldn't get in somebody's car without stepping on a copy of thriller, there was absolutely no escape from the guy. kanye self-selects an audience just by dint of his language and themes.
― tween-justin-bieber-riot-of-09-pandemonium-arrests-terror+tweeting (Edward III), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link
kanye might be the prince of his generation but even that's stretching it
― tween-justin-bieber-riot-of-09-pandemonium-arrests-terror+tweeting (Edward III), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
MBDTF vs. purple rain and let me know when to stop laughing
― tween-justin-bieber-riot-of-09-pandemonium-arrests-terror+tweeting (Edward III), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, November 24, 2010 11:02 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
for starters, Nicki has a starmaking turn on the album and the whole aesthetic of the album heavily influences and/or is influenced by Kid Cudi and Drake, and those 3 artists latest/next albums will probably sell more than those of the 3 artists you named
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
is the nicki actually selling? also sorry i forgot lol young money types, i live in a place they are easy to ignore.
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
there's a whole convo somewhere upthread about how some sources are reporting that Minaj's album is selling as well as and possibly even more than Kanye's this week
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
won the 10 but lost the war
― tween-justin-bieber-riot-of-09-pandemonium-arrests-terror+tweeting (Edward III), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
find that v. v. hard to believe
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
why
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
poor yeezy, he's being curtis-ed
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
That was me that was just repeating what was on hits daily double & they're almost always within 10k with their projections -- they probably have actual numbers up now
It sounds crazy to me too but what kanye has in "buzz" nicki has in near radio omnipresence since the spring or so
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
if anything, it makes more sense to compare the two sprawling, overstuffed, slightly inconsistent/flawed, but thoroughly compelling epic albums -- twisted fantasy vs. sign 'o' the times, anyone?
― i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad (ilxor), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i mean the singles off her album are in way heavier rotation than Kanye's, but generally speaking an artist's stature and preexisting fanbase count for a lot w/ first week sales, so i'm still going to be pretty surprised if she does outsell him or even come close.
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
comparing this to SOTT is total sacrilege to me.
comparing this to SOTT is like comparing your grandma's fried chicken to Shake n Bake.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Even though I really didn't care for it when I listened that one time, when I saw this in HMV yesterday I was soooooo tempted to buy it. God knows why. Put it down once I saw Toy Story 3 (which I also didn't buy, mainly because I had to put it down and go outside for some phone signal).
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
twisted fantasy vs. 'hello'
― balls, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
wow someone's actually just gone ahead and compared this thing to sign o the times
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Wednesday, November 24, 2010 8:35 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
co fucking sign
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
like...beginning to think that the argument that some people just want their generation to have its own prince/MJ figure so badly that they'll anoint anyone for anything is actually right
c'mon face up to the fact that we just aren't going to get a sign o the times of our own!
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
this is more abbey road to me (i.e. a bloated horrible mess unjustly hyped)
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Abbey Road at least ends in less than forty minutes.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link