if anyone can pull off "my music is so awesome that it makes up for my lyrics" it's def kanye tho (& at times the dream -- altho when his lyrics aren't good, they're not 'bad', they're just kinda stock)
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 01:58 (thirteen years ago) link
you actually made a decent enough case for nicki minaj
same rule applies to nicki -- she's great when her delivery is great, e.g., "monster" verse, when her tone, inflection and character are so compelling that i couldn't care less what she's actually saying, and still actually have no clue, tbh
― ilxor, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 01:58 (thirteen years ago) link
i like nicki's "monster" verse cuz it's really well written, and tho i have some issues w/ her being in robin williams mode in that song, it generally doesn't bother me anymore -- but like lex w/ kanye, i think that when nicki's lyrics are bad AND she's in robin williams mode (i.e. "lil freak") it's all types of cringeworthy -- the only verse where i think robin williams mode actually amplifies a verse is "bottoms up"
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:01 (thirteen years ago) link
if anyone can pull off "my music is so awesome that it makes up for my lyrics" it's def kanye tho
j0rdan c'mon it's not just kanye, it's fucking everyone!
i mean
metacritic top albums of 2010:http://www.metacritic.com/browse/albums/score/metascore/year?sort=desc
show me the non-reissue albums on this list w/ great (not just passable -- GREAT) lyrics
janelle? ...maybe occasionally?big boi at times but there's plenty of cringe-worthy stuff there too
i mean really
― ilxor, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:02 (thirteen years ago) link
the difference is kanye puts his lyrics at center stage, even ahead of the production
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:04 (thirteen years ago) link
well i'm not talking about GREAT lyrics -- clearly tons of artists make great albums w/o great lyrics -- with kanye i'm saying that he can make great music (pretty much strictly on his own albums -- not even good friday) when the lyrics are actively bad -- that's pretty unique
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:06 (thirteen years ago) link
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Monday, November 22, 2010 8:04 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
i don't agree w/ this
yeah couldn't disagree more
― ilxor, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:07 (thirteen years ago) link
on that list? bruce springsteen; deerhunter; kanye; lcd soundsystem; grinderman; titus andronicus; the books (sort of lyrics); others.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:07 (thirteen years ago) link
springsteen = reissuedeerhunter, nokanye, occasionally great, much more often cringe-worthylcd, nah, not on the new album at leastgrinderman 2 has some really great one-liners i'll admittitus, no ideabooks, no idea
― ilxor, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Yankee Hotel Foxtrot has classic lyrics btw
― markers, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link
100 METASCORE on 18 reviews?
0_0
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link
somehow this turned into the deerhunter thread
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:11 (thirteen years ago) link
got through 4 tracks tonite; i am not feeling this
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:11 (thirteen years ago) link
eventually they all turn into deerhunter threads.
deerhunter, nolcd, nah, not on the new album at least
couldn't disagree more. and, setting aside objective analysis, i love kanye west's lyrics; fascinating stew of self-love and self-loathing.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:11 (thirteen years ago) link
if you average out the scores of those 18 reviews it's actually 93.66667 but obv. metacritic weights some publications heavier than others? who knows
xp to dan esq.
― ilxor, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Weird argument. I love Contra, Against Me, T-Swift, Curren$y, Big Boi, Merle Haggard, LCD Soundsystem, etc for their music first, but I love the lyrical goodies not too far beneath the surface.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:13 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah METACRITIC has a mysterious "patented" system
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:13 (thirteen years ago) link
and, setting aside objective analysis
wtf is this even supposed to mean???
http://api.ning.com/files/8npOYJPzNyVRh3x42rGnOmRXcAIQYOfoe1QPAQd8AI*ibY1UCmOQYdamQNS3z8aHLdspnvTSwkP9L6m-VEYbgjQd9KgCoCrs/canworms.jpg
― ilxor, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean i like his lyrics.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:17 (thirteen years ago) link
eh, nice can-o-worms there.
yeah i know you like 'em (i often do too!) but "objective"....... such a ridic word re: music
― ilxor, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:19 (thirteen years ago) link
there is objective truth, and that is that.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:20 (thirteen years ago) link
guys let's just ignore ilxor's "i haven't heard the album we're talking about and i have strong opinions about lyrics but when i like stuff i don't even know what the words are" trolling
― vodka loko lame (some dude), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
lol yes
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:22 (thirteen years ago) link
hearing good things about this
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link
okay to clarify, just b/c i haven't heard the album proper doesnt mean i havent heard like 2/3 of the tracks by now i mean c'mon
― ilxor, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:45 (thirteen years ago) link
it's best to form your opinion first, anyway.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:46 (thirteen years ago) link
that way, the facts may change, but your opinion never will.
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f14/snouts/2hzr39l.gif
― overtheseas aeroplanes I have flown (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link
ha! i have no idea what that .gif means, but i love it.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:50 (thirteen years ago) link
god, kevin otm
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link
will post here again once i've heard MY BEAUTIFUL DARK TWISTED FANTASY so as to "gain" "credibility"
― ilxor, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 02:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i think that was the most ordeal type shit ever encountered in course of purchasing one kanye west CD ever. sounds way better now though.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link
drop off after "monster" is dispiriting. buoyed, though, by the holiday-themed packaging. it's a christmas record!
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Holiday themed packaging? Hmm
I'm with j0rdan and Dan on this. I like this WAY more than I expected to, especially given that Kanye seems to be continuing along the trajectory that started to grate c. Graduation - bigger, less accessible, more 'introspective' at the expense of genuine insight, but the album is so generous sonically and so...Kanye...that I like it despite myself.
Like...given that this is 2010 Kanye, this is far more than I ever had reason to expect, and is actually v. good. Still my least favourite Kanye album besides Graduation. Probably on par with 808s, but still contending for top 10 spots with /\/\/\Y/\ et al.
― The SBurbs (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 03:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Kind of wish a CuDi-less version of Christian Dior Denim Flow had ended up on here. Or maybe The Joy. G.O.O.D. Fridays were hit and miss, but a handful of them were damn good.
― The SBurbs (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 03:21 (thirteen years ago) link
the trajectory that started to grate c. Graduation - bigger, less accessible
I don't see how Graduation could be seen as "less accessible", that is the the one album that all of my non-"huge Kanye fan" friends play the most.
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 03:28 (thirteen years ago) link
been thinking about deej's point lately
just curious -- and again this is coming from someone who isnt really coming back to this record all that much -- what record that pfork reviews SHOULD get a 10.0 if not kanye's art-prog-rap? what record makes more sense as a 10.0? i kinda feel like -- & again, i have little invested in the perception of the site, but from an editorial perspective -- can you think of a better record to represent pfork's aesthetic outlook? anyone who says big boi gets a chop & a muff
― smangs of new york (deej), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:09 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark
yeah, it def feels right to say in 2010 that you can't give a 10.0 to ANY album nowadays, but I'm still working on why that's the case and what's changed about music crit in the 00s
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 03:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, give a 10.0 to ANY album based on musical merit alone.
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 03:34 (thirteen years ago) link
What's "you" -- a magazine? a critic? I'd argue a magazine has more reason to award a 10.0 than a critic.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 03:34 (thirteen years ago) link
magazine, publications, 'the system'
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 03:36 (thirteen years ago) link
the government
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 03:36 (thirteen years ago) link
the illuminati
killuminati
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 03:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i still don't see how "art-prog-rap" represents pfork's 'aesthetic outlook'
i think just selling it as "an ambitious & generous album [note: i'm purposefully leaving out negatives] by our generation's transcendent pop star" makes more sense
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 03:37 (thirteen years ago) link
J0rdan, you're on T-shirt detail.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 03:38 (thirteen years ago) link
weirds me out than anyone would be so petrified about handing out a perfect score, at least once in a while.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 03:38 (thirteen years ago) link
I think p4k is trying more to turn themselves into the rolling stone of the 00s
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, but that reads more like 4/5 copy
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link