the thing is, kanyes created songs bigger than his personality. kanye is just not as interesting as all this spilled ink is making him out to be.
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Monday, 22 November 2010 11:01 (thirteen years ago) link
i think he's our most interesting pop star, certainly when it comes to conceptualizing pop music itself (gaga would give him a run for his money in the performance aspect) but i found him more interesting back in the "first nigga with a benz and a backpack" days
― J0rdan S., Monday, 22 November 2010 11:04 (thirteen years ago) link
when he was a contradiction in the world of rap & his self-doubt & self-awareness was filtered thru that, as well as things like his childhood and up bringing
as opposed to his self-doubt & self-awareness being filtered thru... people's reactions to the stupid shit he does
― J0rdan S., Monday, 22 November 2010 11:06 (thirteen years ago) link
haw, thats an interesting way of putting it. otm
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Monday, 22 November 2010 11:17 (thirteen years ago) link
OTM. A lot of this stuff about Kanye being arrogant, insecure, self-questioning, paradoxical, out-of-place was all established by the time of Late Registration. I don't know why he's still getting brownie points for conceding that he sometimes acts like an asshole. There's a lot to like about the new album and one is that the lyrical themes aren't quite as circumscribed as they were on Graduation and 808s, but I still feel he doesn't have many places to go re: fame and haters. The end of the record is almost a confession of that: shit, I don't know what to say about the world beyond my own superstar concerns so here's Gil Scott-Heron from 1970.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 22 November 2010 11:20 (thirteen years ago) link
And by world I don't mean politics - dumb shit like the government/AIDS line in Gorgeous shows that's not his strong suit - but society, human behaviour, good storytelling, basically anything that isn't about being Kanye West.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 22 November 2010 11:22 (thirteen years ago) link
This album is still a drag to listen to. He should have called it Homework.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 November 2010 12:02 (thirteen years ago) link
tbh i don't have any problem with either jay-z verse and "monster" is one of my favorite songs this year. "so appalled" definitely drags tho.
― based lord sotosyn (The Reverend), Monday, 22 November 2010 12:14 (thirteen years ago) link
feel like the album empties its clip on the first listen
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Monday, 22 November 2010 12:19 (thirteen years ago) link
He did the government/ aids thing already on crack music. Seriously, he needs a new idea so fucking much. Get him a marharishi or a gunshot wound, stat.
[don't shoot him.]
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Monday, 22 November 2010 13:13 (thirteen years ago) link
is this the first album to get the 10.0 on initial release since pfork became a widely-read publication?
― ciderpress, Monday, 22 November 2010 13:31 (thirteen years ago) link
lol at the first post itt
― based lord sotosyn (The Reverend), Monday, 22 November 2010 13:41 (thirteen years ago) link
i love listening to "can we get much higher" as this operatic paean to weed
― Mordy, Monday, 22 November 2010 13:47 (thirteen years ago) link
The review picked on a twit that sums up why I am so disappointed with how Kanye's career has gone. He can't be the best ever because he can't dance or sing? Fuck you. You think biggie or rakim or run DMc could? Or outside of hiphop, could the beatles dance? Could Dylan sing? Stevie couldnt dance, he couldnt even fucking see the keys in front of himFuck off with that rockist shit, stop being a bitch and go back to honing your craft.
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Monday, 22 November 2010 13:51 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, but kanye wants to be michael more than he wants to be biggie or rakim, which is fine. huge lol at calling someone a rockist bc they wish they could dance better.
― based lord sotosyn (The Reverend), Monday, 22 November 2010 14:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Lol ok yeah. The thing is he is the most important star without these qualities and without ever really attempting to do these things (except 808's autotune) or improving on these things. So why does he not wAnt to acknowledge the skill set that made him the great modern pop star and instead be stuck trying to be a guy who made his only great records pre-sucker mcs? He could be this generations michael but instead wants to be michael and I wish he could tell the difference
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Monday, 22 November 2010 14:09 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm with you there
― based lord sotosyn (The Reverend), Monday, 22 November 2010 14:12 (thirteen years ago) link
i wish he would concentrate on being this generation's quincy jones
― Noel 1 Silence 0 (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2010 14:12 (thirteen years ago) link
reasonable
― based lord sotosyn (The Reverend), Monday, 22 November 2010 14:13 (thirteen years ago) link
is John Mayer this generation's George Benson?
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 November 2010 14:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Jamie foxx, cam'ron, freeway and twista as the other 4 of the west 5.
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Monday, 22 November 2010 14:16 (thirteen years ago) link
this shit is inexcusable
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, 22 November 2010 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Which shit exactly?
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Monday, 22 November 2010 14:22 (thirteen years ago) link
i can;t say EXACTLY like to the decimal place
but it's APPROXIMATELY or circa ~10
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, 22 November 2010 14:25 (thirteen years ago) link
if you wanna try to narrow it down with me so we can be more exactly let me know a hoy hoy
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, 22 November 2010 14:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Lol btw it's .0
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Monday, 22 November 2010 14:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I still haven't heard this, but I'm so glad Pfork gave it a 10.0 so I could watch you guys get all riled up about it. Good job Pfork!
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 22 November 2010 14:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Think we had the problem regardless of lol ratings
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Monday, 22 November 2010 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link
True, but this really kicked it up a notch.
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 22 November 2010 14:30 (thirteen years ago) link
It made it his be here now
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Monday, 22 November 2010 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link
to a 9.7?
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 November 2010 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link
looking forward to this thread hitting 500 new answers soon
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Monday, 22 November 2010 14:33 (thirteen years ago) link
It's thankfully nowhere near being his Be Here Now but some of the reviews are very similar in that they spend more time on the size of the phenomenon than on the music. It sounds so big! He's so famous!
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 22 November 2010 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link
dammit, I was going to avoid this album but all of this complaining makes me want to hear it to see if it's really that bad
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 14:41 (thirteen years ago) link
it's not
― based lord sotosyn (The Reverend), Monday, 22 November 2010 14:44 (thirteen years ago) link
it's really not
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 22 November 2010 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link
I didn't think so but the garment-rending at Pitchfork giving it a 10.0 is making me lol
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link
I ruined my best flannel button up today because of this
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Monday, 22 November 2010 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link
It is in no way as embarrassing as 808 but it is possibly worse.. If that makes sense? That said if Kanye was more choosy with his collabs, learnt from dre when he doesn't need to rap and had an editor with some balls to tell him when to end things, it could have been a lot better.
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Monday, 22 November 2010 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Still more likelyto listen to it at any point in my life ever than any post retirement jay.
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Monday, 22 November 2010 14:58 (thirteen years ago) link
i officially have no idea if i'm gonna like this or not
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:01 (thirteen years ago) link
It's not just P4k - nobody on Metacritic has dipped below 88 yet. This is the kind of big, ambitious, flawed record that I'd like to see reviewed in three months' time. That's when the interesting criticism might happen - at the moment it's just variations on wow. (I don't exempt myself from that - if I'd had to turn around a review quickly I suspect I'd have erred on the side of positivity, though not to the extent of 10/10)
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm prepared to read (and have, in a few places) spirited defenses and reevaluations of 808's, but this album sticks too closely to his tried-and-true.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:03 (thirteen years ago) link
still think 808s is a great album
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link
It reminds me in places of plastic surgery gone too far - always aiming for bigger and better, he ends up making some potentially great songs ugly and repellent.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link
listened to it last night for first time in a while and yeah apart from broing Amazing and Heartless and the final track i enjoy v much the sound of his misery
― Noel 1 Silence 0 (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link
for one thing it's almost half an hour shorter than this mess
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Because 808s is a great album!
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:10 (thirteen years ago) link
from tom ewing's tumblr:
10. Do I enjoy the record? No, not especially, or at least not as a 70 minute experience. Parts of it. Songs on shuffle. But it’s exhausting! In the way Important Records usually are. I’ve played it three times through - hardly enough to have an opinion - but I’m not really reaching for it again.
otm
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:19 (thirteen years ago) link
yes it's exhausting
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link