so when in the last two hundred years was timbre finally discovered
― ilxinho (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
lols @ geir calling dude "a bit far off, though, because he existed in a universe where anything but _____ music was worthless in his eyes."
― borad.crutial.org (crüt), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
has german changed much since mozart's time? did mozart know any archaic english?
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
English hasn't changed that much at all since Mozart's day.
― A brownish area with points (chap), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
ahoy hoy, herr mozart, would you do without a wireless, a dirigible, or a pennyfarthing wot wot 23 skidoo?corsets on wealthy dowagers: classic or declasse?
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
let's have Geir time travel back to Mozart's day and see how he freaks out that he suddenly has no music he likes to listen to
― melody-hating aggr0 nerd (San Te), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Interesting web discussion of Mozart's language abilities (I've linked to the post that best addresses his grasp of English).
― Waldstein Sinatra (Paul in Santa Cruz), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
adorno adored beethoven
Because he considered Beethoven to be part of the long lineage of progression which culminated forever Schönberg and 12 tone music.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link
that isn't true either
― goole, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link
that's very interesting! re: mozart practicing English by taunting his pupils in it.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Schonberg inspired the Beach boys
― melody-hating aggr0 nerd (San Te), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link
adorno would never have thought of, or wrote in terms of, "progression" or anything being "culminated forever"
can't you just be happy that he didn't like jazz? jeez, give the old guy a break
― goole, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
stupid question: Geir, have you actually read Adorno, and hold an informed opinion about him, or did you just manufacture a strawman based on a paragraph quoted out of context?
― scaruffi kaleidoscope (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link
the Beach Boys inspired Schonberg.... through TIME TRAVEL
― m0stlyClean, Thursday, 14 October 2010 02:15 (thirteen years ago) link
brian wilson has time traveled to schonberg's living room
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 14 October 2010 02:38 (thirteen years ago) link
lol yeah you kinda answered yr own q here drugs
― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 14 October 2010 02:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Wouldn't necessarily require time travel for Brian Wilson to meet Schoenberg; they both lived in southern California throughout the 1940s. Granted, the time travel scenario would lead to more interesting conversations between them...
― Waldstein Sinatra (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 14 October 2010 02:45 (thirteen years ago) link
My answer to any time-travel hypothetical is "The Rockafella Skank."
For Mozart, that, and that "Midnight Blue" ballad, and, I don't know, "You Belong With Me."
― ok we are pals (Eazy), Thursday, 14 October 2010 02:49 (thirteen years ago) link
what IF Schonberg was the dude with the pop sensibility and Brian Wilson was the master of noise, and he followed the scenario Big HOOS laid out, and Brian Wilson/Schonberg had a Reese's Peanut Butter cups moment and taught each other their opposite styles....
....so then Schonberg DIDN'T ruin music (GeirTM) after all???!!!!!
MAKES YA THINK
― melody-hating aggr0 nerd (San Te), Thursday, 14 October 2010 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I suppose I should go ahead and reveal my ignorance with a realistic answer to the question. But to set some limits, let's say he has to go back in two hours. So...no symphonies, and I'll start a whole half century after Mozart. I added these up and it's just under 120 minutes. The crash course: Liszt/Hungarian Rhapsody fiveOverture to Carmen (only two minutes)Night on Bald MountainStrauss/In Abendrot Debussy/Prelude to Afternoon of a FaunSibelius/The Swan of TuonelaWilliams/The Lark AscendingPuccini/maybe Si, Mi Chiamano Mimi andNessun Dorma for good measure, since these are shortHolst/Jupiter from the PlanetsCopland/Fanfare for the Common Man (three minutes)Louis Armstrong/West End BluesEllington/Take the A TrainRammstein/any song (it's in German!)
― B'wana Beast, Thursday, 14 October 2010 04:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Woops, I left out John Adams/the Chairman Dances -it's still under two hours.
― B'wana Beast, Thursday, 14 October 2010 04:17 (thirteen years ago) link
B'wana that playlist looks great! I threw together a Spotify playlist just in case he ever does show up:
http://open.spotify.com/user/pmadra/playlist/6QExryVuq3lgmkjZ8Hscr6
― Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Thursday, 14 October 2010 10:47 (thirteen years ago) link
That playlist is actually pretty good. Would probably substitute one or two for electronic songs... maybe Pantha du Prince and Aphex Twin.
― Moka, Thursday, 14 October 2010 23:21 (thirteen years ago) link
... or something heavy on percussions.
― Moka, Thursday, 14 October 2010 23:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Although I'd give myself migraine trying to explain him how electronic music works... probably just better to let him figure it out and send him back in time to see how he manages to reproduce it.
― Moka, Thursday, 14 October 2010 23:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Mozart would be horrified by that list. Better play him some nice melodic pop music. He'd like that better. Mozart was a melody guy.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Friday, 15 October 2010 09:10 (thirteen years ago) link
<3
― borad.crutial.org (crüt), Friday, 15 October 2010 09:14 (thirteen years ago) link
funny how Mozart's view of music seems to be exactly like yours!
― borad.crutial.org (crüt), Friday, 15 October 2010 09:17 (thirteen years ago) link
guy
― some droopy HOOS in makeup (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 15 October 2010 09:19 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.happybabybag.com/catalog/images/mozart.jpg
― Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Friday, 15 October 2010 09:20 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ pinnacle of western art. Mozart without all the unmelodic crap.
― borad.crutial.org (crüt), Friday, 15 October 2010 09:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Not sure it does what it says on the tin though.
― Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Friday, 15 October 2010 09:30 (thirteen years ago) link
probably better naptime music than a Schoenberg piece for soprano
― borad.crutial.org (crüt), Friday, 15 October 2010 09:39 (thirteen years ago) link
just to prop up Geir's favorite strawman composer for more fun in this thread
― borad.crutial.org (crüt), Friday, 15 October 2010 09:40 (thirteen years ago) link
No twelve-tone masturbation in front of the baby please.
― Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Friday, 15 October 2010 09:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I like how Nessum Dorma, Carmen, Jupiter and one of Debussy's drippier pieces are too unmelodic for Geir.
― Matt DC, Friday, 15 October 2010 09:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Not all of it, but a lot of it. Generally "classical" music from after 1900 is not wasting much time on. The true classical music of the 20th century were composed by pop composers.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Friday, 15 October 2010 10:10 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijnfdLFhn2o
― borad.crutial.org (crüt), Friday, 15 October 2010 10:10 (thirteen years ago) link
straight bottin'
xpost
― contenderizer, Friday, 15 October 2010 10:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Bach and Mozart were the greatest composers of the 18th century, Beethoven and Brahms may have been the greatest composers of the 19th century (a larger number of candidates though) and McCartney and Wilson were probably the greatest composers of the 20th century.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Friday, 15 October 2010 10:14 (thirteen years ago) link
(Well, actually Tony Banks is better, but people didn't understand)
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Friday, 15 October 2010 10:15 (thirteen years ago) link
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41195000/jpg/_41195084_banks2pa203.jpg
― Matt DC, Friday, 15 October 2010 10:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Not that Tony Banks, I guess :)
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Friday, 15 October 2010 10:34 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.fastcompany.com/1697711/explain-the-internet-19th-century-british-street-urchin-doogie-horner#self
― elephant rob, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 00:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I have thought about this a lot actually and I still can't decide if I would try and show him the progression of music through time past his own, or just fuck with his mind.
Like,"Here's a great example of American folk music in the 20th century, Mozart..."*puts on Caroliner*
or
"Here's a great example of American folk music in the 20th century, Mozart..."*puts on Bob Dylan*
tough choices...
― The Porcupine Captain With A Crew of White Rabbits (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 00:36 (thirteen years ago) link
do you think mozart heard leonin & perotin?
― ogmor, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 00:44 (thirteen years ago) link
he might get more out of having his own shit put in context
Charlie Parker has time-travelled to your living room.......
― m0stlyClean, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
officium to see if he lols
― ogmor, Wednesday, 27 October 2010 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link
"Here's a great example of American folk music in the 20th century, Mozart..."*puts on Caroliner*
― The Porcupine Captain With A Crew of White Rabbits (Viceroy), Tuesday, October 26, 2010 5:36 PM (2 hours ago)
Are you sure Caroliner is from the 20th century?
― i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 02:59 (thirteen years ago) link