Salem - What kind of music genre is this ?

is the Brandon who wrote that piece the same Brandon who also wrote the XLR8R piece that he continually refers to?

whiney g. weingarten, can you do me a solid and adhere to the same principle of honest broness that prevents me from calling you "chris" when I disagree with you? thanks man.

I had a lot more to say but because I find the subject interesting I'm writing in long boring grafs, can't be helped, I'll be back later to see what shook out - I think this is an interesting subject.

waitaminnit, cornrows?

i mean

the chick in salem's cornrows look just like kenny fucking powers in the preview commercials for the new season of eastbound & down

― my balls and my nerds (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, September 26, 2010 11:18 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

whiney g. weingarten, can you do me a solid and adhere to the same principle of honest broness that prevents me from calling you "chris" when I disagree with you? thanks man.

will do. but just want to point out that j0hn was your name around here for like seven years, so when ppl call u it, it's prolly not on some miccio ish, more like when I call markers "ksh" or zorn_bond.mp3 "HOOS"

word, noted

I don't think anyone posted the "Asia" video yet, right? Pretty great. NSFW-ish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27pRb5gtb6w

Funny how different posters are hearing quite different elements pushing out here. Some, like Whiney, are hearing bad take-the-piss white crunk; Baaderonix and I are firmly in the industrial, post-Ministry camp; it's called witch-HOUSE; yet the initial poster was barking up a dubstep tree.

This isn't a revelatory point or anything, but it's still testament to the fact they're a controversial act.

I don't care about the "sounding black" or accent stuff. As a Britisher, singers putting on accents isn't anything new to me and has been going on since the Beatles. I don't think that someone singing or rapping in a different way to their speaking voice is in any way phony.

http://wiki.ironchariots.org/images/b/b8/Cherry_picking_med.jpg

some of you have this contrarian, anti-hype, anti-genration Y stance or pose that renders anything you say, sound like "ikguhouigyhub!"

How do you pronounce that anyway

will do. but just want to point out that j0hn was your name around here for like seven years, so when ppl call u it, it's prolly not on some miccio ish, more like when I call markers "ksh" or zorn_bond.mp3 "HOOS"

considering I haven't been "miccio" on here for a damn long time, I find a rather large irony in here.

hahaha

it took me the longest time to figure out who "miccio" was

on another note, that name again is mr plow if any ppl are still curious abt chopped & screwed and want some youtubes

Whiney u str8 Jethro itt imo

idk i think the miccio persona has been one of ilx's most consistent

maybe a lil less outright challopy

hahahaha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNRBLfpTNus

Rape-Gaze is now removed from the pfork review, btw

whiney not even i spend this much time checking up on hype acts i hate

he's trying to sound like Bun B, don't be rap Tuomas, j0hn, you're smarter than that

― i love you but i've chosen markers (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, October 12, 2010 7:58 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

disagree with your objection, whiney, in that i don't object, but this is still OTM. on tracks like "trapdoor", salem dude is affecting a very specific hip hop voice (and yeah, it's a "black" voice, at least by association). you can't really talk your way around that. actually, i'm curious about why this doesn't bother me. in a similar way, i'm a little mystified by my easy acceptance of earl sweatshirt's grisly rape & murder jokes. comforts of apathy...

[yikes. sorry, aero, for perpetuating the thing.]

i think the obvious answer is that one is willing to put up w/ earl's elaborate rape & cop killing & murder fantasies because he displays above average talent as a storyteller and lyricist -- esp for a 16 year old -- where as the dude in salem is all MY MIND IN THE SKREET

ha

well yeah, but we put up with salem's "screwed" clowning (if we do) because the music & aesthetic perversions are intriguing, because they creates nice dissonances. i'd never defend jack donoghue as a rapper.

got this yesterday

initial impression - they're atari teenage riot for 2010

White Moth is ATR for 2010

my thought from Youtube clips was "what if My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult had been into dub and hip-hop rather than horror movies"

then I saw that wretched live performance that made the rounds and I stopped caring

everyone's allowed to suck from time to time

not like that, they aren't

http://i53.tinypic.com/xaxo2a.jpg

looooooooooool

eh, i've seen comparable bullshit from john maus and ariel pink (though with a large dash of "i am crazy and/or intend to suck"). salem weren't ready to play, maybe won't ever be ready to play. i don't give a shit, doesn't affect my opinion of the recorded music. plus maybe their mom died that night. there could be factors to consider.

that'd be a great post-show interview question

I've seen neither John Maus nor Ariel Pink and own nothing by either of them; if I saw a half-assed, poorly constructed show like that from either, I'd have no incentive to even investigate them.

I mean seriously. If they really weren't ready to play, they could have just triggered prerecorded backing tracks at an actually audible volume and drowned dude's vocals in reverb; that would have been about a bazillion times better than watching someone wander around stage looking lost and imitating some anonymous emcee while the person behind the decks plays one note on what sounds like a Casio preset patch.

i love the girl smoking the cigarette and just staring blankly at her gear lke it's a tv

I blame the Fader Fort sound guy, any band would sound shitty with that mix. dude could have done exactly what HI DERE suggests (unless Salem brought their own mixologist, which would move it into the realm of intentional Andy Kaufman dadaist trolling).

I am not ruling the sound guy out as the culprit there but I have to assume that if he was that across-the-board incompetent, their terrible performance wouldn't have stood out in a day chock full of terrible performances.

look let me spell this out for you guys on how this whole thing went down

band with interesting sound & small amt of buzz, maybe w/also a manager, gets offered a spot on the Levi's Fader stage. let me point out to anybody who thinks It's All About The Music that this stage is sponsored by one of the last successful magazines standing & a brand with worldwide name recognition & permanent cache, i.e., people whose pockets are deep. is the picture becoming clear to you? this stage will not be a place where a band with an interesting sound & small amt of buzz, and maybe w/also a manager, will be playing for free. in fact, the offer this band's manager has gotten is probably more money than any member of this band, what to speak of their "manager" i.e. their homie from high school, has ever seen on one after-show shared-hotel-room coffee table at once after playing one stinking show. one show for all that fucking scratch! what do you think we are, stupid? sure, we don't exactly know how to pull this off live, and sure, every other club we've ever played in had such shitty PAs that we sounded muffled & drowned & fucked-up without even trying. but whatever, right? we are talking about thousands of dollars here.

anybody here who would not be willing throw the dice & maybe end up looking like something of an asshole for many thousands of dollars can cast the first stone, but I'm guessing that if I had a lie detector test and a stack of hundreds that climbed up past ankle level, most of us here would be "where do I bust out the shitty rap?" Salem sucked because they don't really know what they're doing yet & hadn't really thought about playing outside of their element. In about a year they'll sound live like they sound on record & the only person who'll remember the Fader Fort performance will be markers.

I don't disagree with any of that (especially the "GIMME MONY" bit, although I did turn down an incredibly minor named role in an Opera Boston performance because I wasn't sure I could handle it so sometimes sanity will prevail). That doesn't change the fact that they did go ahead and do it and sucked hardcore and now I don't really want to go any deeper into their sound when, on paper, this is a band that I should have been all over MONTHS ago.

In about a year they'll sound live like they sound on record & the only person who'll remember the Fader Fort performance will be markers.

this is assuming tommy lee jones zaps whiney with one of those men in black memory eraser space pens right?

(especially the "GIMME MONY" bit, although I did turn down an incredibly minor named role in an Opera Boston performance because I wasn't sure I could handle it so sometimes sanity will prevail).

to be fair you have never been a homeless prostitute, as far as i know

the only person who'll remember the Fader Fort performance will be markers

O_O

@ HI DERE: yeah I agree with you! I was enjoying their recorded shit a lot until I saw the Fader deal myself, and then the air just leaked quickly out of the tire. I do think the "EXPOSED!!!" line that's esp. prevalent in this thread is a little - like - rockist? like, you know who else can't really deliver the goods live: lots of people in 2010. "You suck live" is sort of does-not-apply imo, though bands who're gonna suck live might do well to think about whether a one-time payday for a maybe-this'll-work show is worth the potential tradeoff.. I mean, cards on table, I have heavy rockist leanings and think that anybody who can't deliver the goods live is an asshole who should get out of the way for those of us who are willing to put a little blood & sweat into our live show. but I'm too invested in that whole idea to really count as impartial.

@ ilxor well you gotta admit markers has probably got a tattoo of the Fader Fort screencap at this point

as an ardent defender of the recorded music of taylor swift, i haven't made any judgments of salem based on that performance, aside from lols & also saying that the performance itself is pretty much racist

to be fair you have never been a homeless prostitute, as far as i know

YOU DON'T KNOW MY LIFE

(although yeah, never been a homeless prostitute)

you know, after watching that FADER performance and then going back to the recorded version of "Tent", I have no idea what the "oh I don't hear that as them aping a black dialect, you people are making some shady assumptions" were smoking upthread

thing is these guys didn't even coming off like they were trying for that $$$ and failing, what's so funny about out it is how fucking zonked, indifferent and clueless they look

@ ilxor well you gotta admit markers has probably got a tattoo of the Fader Fort screencap at this point

Maybe -- iirc, you're assuming there's room after the full-torso Tapes N Tapes tat?

as an ardent defender of the recorded music of taylor swift, i haven't made any judgments of salem based on that performance

Except that ummmmmmmm, oh yeah!, Taylor Swift is AWESOME LIVE and if you're judging based on YouTube vids and not an actual live performance then you're not *really* judging properly imho.